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Jerry Meyers
 Nov 27, 07 - 6:14 PM |
Lineage
I stand by what I said on my site.Knowledge is not inherited, so if ya aint got it you cant pass it on or take it away Those that do have it are the ligetimate instrutors that Guro Ted promoted to full instrutors Guro Leonard Trigg and Guro Greg Allen. ONLY THESE TWO CAN PROMOTE TO FULL INSTRUCTOR, I rest my case. |
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Maestra Beverly Lucaylucay
Nov 27th, 2007 - 11:35 PM |
Re: Lineage
To quote from your own words, "if ya aint got it, you can't pass it on" which is why my brother didn't promote you to "Associate Instructor's" level many years before his passing. My brother would not acknowledge a promotion to an "Associate Instructor's" level via a video camera test taping. All of his Guro's / Instructor's tested in front of him along with his other senior instructors. Testing in front of a camera for any "Instructor's" level is not acceptable and/or valid. I know of no other Martial Art style that would allow such a promotional testing process to an upper level "Instructor's" status. Confirmed with several other Guro's in the Lucaylucay organization, they also agree this is not in the rules set by my brother. Therefore, as I have stated to you before, your "Associate Instructor's" level is not recognized and will not be supported under the Lucaylucay Family and Lineage.....period! |
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Jerry Meyers
Nov 28th, 2007 - 7:34 PM |
Re: Lineage
My associate level was given and is naturally recognized by one of the only two instrutors that can legitmately give this level,Greg Allen. Thats enough for me period. P.S. Are you saying that Greg Allen's certification is not valid,if so, then your saying Greg's full instructors certificate is not valid. He's going to be surprised to hear this I imagine. |
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Maestra Beverly Lucaylucay
Nov 28th, 2007 - 9:05 PM |
Re: Lineage
This is the last time I am responding to your forum because I stand by what I said to you and it will not change. As far as Greg's certification to you..."Yes" it is invalid! It was not conducted according to my brother's set rules for promotions of "Instructor's" level as I stated to you before. Therefore, "AGAIN", IT IS NOT VALID! And for your information, I have already informed Greg Allen and Leonard Trigg of this issue. "Given" and "Earned" are two different things and it is quite obvious that you have not "earned" this level by no means... At this point because of your dis-respective actions and opinions against me and my family's roles, your affiliation and association with the Lucaylucay Family and Lineage is permanently dissolved. I am not wasting my time any longer with your so call website/forum that you tragically created for personal gain using my brother's name. My brother use to tell me about guys like you and low and behold, look what pops up after his passing. We respected you and supported you after my brother's passing Jerry, just to get publicly dis-respected in return?! Good luck in whatever your endeavors may be, your going to need it! |
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Paul Mickelson
Nov 28th, 2007 - 9:15 PM |
Re: Lineage/Power struggle
Well here we are, going at it like we all know what Ted wanted, or who knew what Ted wanted better than anyone else. It sickens me to watch his memory dragged around, then put up as a facade. Here's what I have to say about all this: The only full instructors that I am aware of who may give rank are Greg Allen and Leonard Trigg. Anyone else certified to establish ones' rank should have been promoted by either of them. Familial rank, though respected it it's own way, can never take the place of that which has been established through training and insight. Anyone who represents themselves as the Master of a system, had better have studied from and earned rank from the lineage within the system, or they open themselves up to criticism from those of us who to which they would wish to administrate. Ted had some great ideas, and a wonderful way of communicating them. I will continue to teach my boys the the lessons I learned from Ted, Greg, Russ, and Jerry. That knowledge is mine now, no one person or organization can remove my training and hard work involved in attaining my rank. Go ahead and argue who has the most power to promote, and yell disrespect when it suits you. But remember, the thing about real respect is that it must be earned. I have no fear, I know what I know, and I'm **** good. Paul Mickelson |
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Maestra Beverly Lucaylucay
Nov 30th, 2007 - 8:18 AM |
Re: Lineage
In reply to Paul (Level 4) student of Jerry Meyers and to everyone else that wishes to follow this forum. My brother lived with me and we spent many hours through the nights discussing his plans, training and just bonding as a brother and sister through his last night with us. He spoke of alot of people he trusted and didn't trust. We spoke of his plans and thoughts of how he was going to build and strengthen his organization. So yes, I do know what my brother wanted and planned for his current (at that time) and future endeavors. The curriculum was given by "Me" (in trust) to Jerry after my brother's passing to help him follow the curriculum and to help pass the knowledge onto you students. This is Ted's Curriculum and Rules that he set, not mine. I am here to make sure that they are followed by everyone as he left it. My brother was a good hearted and humble person and alot of people took advantage of this not knowing that my brother knew exactly where they were coming from. I could go into details of our conversation, but why? I will keep that to myself, the family and only those that we trust and those that need to know and be aware of what to watch for down the line. It sickens the family to see so many of those out there claiming to be who they are and claiming to have trained under and with my brother just for personal gain. So you see, "Blood" runs thicker in our veins than you think and I intend to make sure that everyone better be who you claim to be because me and my direct family of 45+ will be right behind them to disclose the truth. "Lineage" is there, you can count on that.... As I stated before, "Respect" is definately "earned" and gained through the family and the true followers of Ted's legacy... |
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Paul Mickelson
Nov 30th, 2007 - 11:19 AM |
Re: Lineage
Beverley, Personal gain? Are you crazy? If all this was about money or status, I'd think someone would have become wealthy by now. We're all in this for hopefully good reasons, but I doubt if fame and fortune are among them. I've knowm Jerry for 30 years now, he's at times difficult, and now that he's gotten a bit older, cantankerous, but never, I repeat NEVER has he been one to try to capitalize on another's fame for his own benefit. He is a good hearted person, and an excellent instructor, definitely, not "one of those people" that Ted "warned you about". As for the rest of it, I find the lack of real communication disturbing on both sides, as well as the veiled, and not so veiled threats in regards to rank, and who know what else!? Not a good advertisement for the Maestra. Good Luck with your organization, but I don't think it's going to do its founder the honor he deserves. Any comments or personal communication can be directed to me personally at pbmdvm@yahoo.com |
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30-06desert dog
Dec 2nd, 2007 - 3:34 PM |
haarummph!
if both beverly and jerry have credible resons to back what say, and why they feel that way, then thats fine. and respectable. i have trained with jerry for over 5 years and attained a certain level of rank. i have never found jerry to be self serving in any way. one of jerry's cornerstone guidelines is that the way he is teaching people is the same way he was taught without adding to it or taking away from it. so un yeilding is this guide line that jerry has never expended, adapted, modified,re-packaged, or misled anyone to gain recognition,favors,un due respect or special treatment. so strictly that even in the face of extreme financial hardship he would not lease or rent part of his studio to a jiu-jitsu instructor or muy thai or anyone else not because he dosen't value them but he wanted a place where you would get un adulterated jkd the way he learned it from bruce and lucay lucay the way he learned it from ted. anyone who spent any time w/ jerry can confirm |
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Laughing at the Fool
Mar 11th, 2008 - 5:28 PM |
Re: Lineage
"Confirmed with several other Guro's in the Lucaylucay organization, they also agree this is not in the rules set by my brother" Inquiring minds like to know, who are these so called Guros that do not recognize, acknowledge, or respect Guro Greg Allands testing methods? And how does this Maglinti guy from Hawaii make you a 7th degree Maestra if HE doesnt even know the Temujin curriculum, let alone a practitioner of Teddy's art. By sending out a mass email claiming you are a 7th Degree Maestra and that you outrank everyone in Temujin, you insinuate that you held the rank/title of 1st - 6th degree in the past? Can you provide proof of your first 6 degrees? Since when did we have Degrees in Temujin? So if you outrank Guro Greg and Leonard, they must be 6th degree black belts in Temujin? |
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Eager
Mar 11th, 2008 - 6:01 PM |
Re: Lineage
I want an instructor who carries a loaded weapon and pulls it on people....perhaps the perp was a higher level than herself? http://wc1.worldcrossing.com/WebX/.ef46594 |
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