You have really truly just tuned in and have NOT browsed the site. An ex-Zeta has been posting on here for a while now and her reason was not because of some bad experience it was wholy the move of the Holy Spirit! And what makes your post so irrelevant is the simple fact that you are not a Christian. This ministry exposes darkness that is against God's will, Word, and way to the Christians. There is no way that you can say this is wrong if you don't live by the same commandments. Nobody is talking about whether or not you can still live by the pillars of your organization and still be in whatever religion--it's more about how you can't be a Christian and be tied to, yoked together with, in convenant with ungodliness, idolatry, and compromise. So your understanding will be limited if you have not accepted Christ and are now trying to live for Him because He has no room and reason to convict you. And if you WERE a Christian that is just as bad because it shows that you did not learn anything individually and did not grow in a relationship with Christ, and seriously did not grow in learning His Holy Word: The Holy Bible, we see this b/c if you were the thing is now that you aren't anymore and now live as a Muslim.

Justice, let me tell that the Word of God says that there is no other name other than the name of Jesus that man can be saved. And the whole icing on the cake is that many religions have a doctrine, a god, and a way of life and the people may strongly believe it--But only Christianity has that one thing that separates them from the rest-------THE HOLY SPIRIT, which is proof of the entire Word of God and no other religion gives any other proof besides their written doctrine.

God bless you
"seek HIm while He may be found"

"You have really truly just tuned in and have NOT browsed the site. An ex-Zeta has been posting on here for a while now and her reason was not because of some bad experience it was wholy the move of the Holy Spirit!"

And you missed the part where I also stated it could have been a personal decision.

"There is no way that you can say this is wrong if you don't live by the same commandments."

If you realized the many similarities within both Islam and Christianity, you'd see that my comment is indeed relevant. How much about Islam do you know about to say that I don't live by the same commandments as Christians do?

"it's more about how you can't be a Christian and be tied to, yoked together with, in convenant with ungodliness, idolatry, and compromise."

So you can't be a Christian tied to compromise? Interesting.

"And if you WERE a Christian that is just as bad because it shows that you did not learn anything individually and did not grow in a relationship with Christ,"

You don't know the true reason as to why I converted to Islam. I'm not for worshipping Christ and I only need a relationship with God, not any other prophets. All revelations from any prophet is considered GOD's Word, which is infinite in learning. Therefore, you and I both should still be "learning his word."

"Justice, let me tell that the Word of God says that there is no other name other than the name of Jesus that man can be saved."

That depends on what you mean by "saved." However, I'm not going to go into a religious argument with you seeing as you worship Jesus and I worship God.

" But only Christianity has that one thing that separates them from the rest-------THE HOLY SPIRIT, which is proof of the entire Word of God and no other religion gives any other proof besides their written doctrine."

What proof? And you obviously haven't done much research to make a statement saying that no other religion has "the holy spirit." You are wrong. And I'm assuming you mean the Bible when you say "word of God." I have a word that may give you second thoughts about the "entire word of God" thing. Ever heard of Apocrypha?

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Justice,

I spoke on how Jadyn's decision was the result of a move from the Holy Spirit.

And if you are not a Christian, regardless of whatever similarities Muslim have (which I do know), you still don't live by the same commandments and are NOT LEAD BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.

And Christians CAN NOT be unequally yoked with any form of ungodliness, idolatry, or compromise. You mentioned that it seemed interesting huh? I suppose you're looking at the FACT that some Christians ARE tied to those things listed, but that does not means that they are given the APPROVAL (from God) to do so and are yet given COMMANDMENTS not to do so. And just as all Christians do not obey God's Word, neither do people in other religions, but the devil wants to make the truth look bad and hypocritical that's why we're put out there so much more---it's kinda a compliment and confirmation of what the truth is.


Before you keep posting, I wish that you could understand that because you are not a Christian you are not exactly understanding the things that I keep trying to say.

I'm not trying to be rude, because you are surely welcome to ask questions to better your understanding, but that's not what you're doing--you are trying to tell a Christian what's right for a Christian and it's coming from the mind and understanding of a Muslim.

I can't say anymore, there's too much to say and no offense but I still don't think that you will get.....

Respectfully,
Me

I need a Christian to tell me how you can, as a Christian, seek GODLY COUNSEL or ADVICE from someone of another religion and if it makes any sense.

"I spoke on how Jadyn's decision was the result of a move from the Holy Spirit."

But you also said "it wasn't a bad experience" as if I said it was why she denounced her membership.

"And if you are not a Christian, regardless of whatever similarities Muslim have (which I do know), you still don't live by the same commandments and are NOT LEAD BY THE HOLY SPIRIT."

State a few of the commandments other than being lead by the "holy spirit" that you live by and I'll confirm which of those commandments that muslims also live by.

"And Christians CAN NOT be unequally yoked with any form of ungodliness, idolatry, or compromise."

Neither can Muslims.

"You mentioned that it seemed interesting huh? I suppose you're looking at the FACT that some Christians ARE tied to those things listed, but that does not means that they are given the APPROVAL (from God) to do so and are yet given COMMANDMENTS not to do so."

First off, you said tied to compromise as if you're opposed to making a compromise when needed. And you're making this whole thing seem as if God didn't give us free will. If we needed approval for every breath we take from God, the world population would probably be in sky high ranks.

"And just as all Christians do not obey God's Word, neither do people in other religions, but the devil wants to make the truth look bad and hypocritical that's why we're put out there so much more---it's kinda a compliment and confirmation of what the truth is."

So being a member of an organization is the devil's work? Well shoot, I guess I shouldn't have played with my college bball team, seeing as that is also recognized as being an organization. Matter of fact, maybe some of these other organizations that operate similar to greek orgs i.e. these so-called orgs formed to expose greek organizations, shouldn't even exist. Talk about devil's work.

"Before you keep posting, I wish that you could understand that because you are not a Christian you are not exactly understanding the things that I keep trying to say."

You must not forget that I used to be a Christian myself and I understand very well what you're trying to say. I mean I already understood the fact that you and other DGG bandwagoners like to twist up peoples statements and facts. i.e. Saying Zeta supports abortion.

"I'm not trying to be rude, because you are surely welcome to ask questions to better your understanding, but that's not what you're doing--you are trying to tell a Christian what's right for a Christian and it's coming from the mind and understanding of a Muslim."

Not exactly. I mean it's not like I just came out of the wood works like this site and said going greek is the devil's work when I know it's not.

"I can't say anymore, there's too much to say and no offense but I still don't think that you will get....."

That's too bad.

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State a few of the commandments other than being lead by the "holy spirit" that you live by and I'll confirm which of those commandments that muslims also live by.

One of my points exactly. You have a lot of similarities in Muslim with Christianity, but why'd you say other than the Holy Spirit (not "holy spirit")? Maybe it's b/c that is, like I said, the one thing that separates Christianity from all others; the PROOF OF OUR DOCTRINE!

And so far as how you used to be a Christian, refer back to what I said in my earlier post.

"One of my points exactly. You have a lot of similarities in Muslim with Christianity, but why'd you say other than the Holy Spirit (not "holy spirit")?"

Because the only difference that is basically recognized is that in Islam, we don't live in commandments through niether Jesus nor the Holy Spirit. It is only through Allah and Allah only. Now I say again, state some of the commandments other than the "HOLY SPIRIT" in which Christians live by and I'll confirm which of those that Muslims also live by.

" Maybe it's b/c that is, like I said, the one thing that separates Christianity from all others; the PROOF OF OUR DOCTRINE!"

You can have a doctrine and say it's proof of your believe, but everything in that doctrine cannot be proven also. That's why I said "Apocrypha."

"And so far as how you used to be a Christian, refer back to what I said in my earlier post."

I did. I also had a response.

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" Maybe it's b/c that is, like I said, the one thing that separates Christianity from all others; the PROOF OF OUR DOCTRINE!"

You can have a doctrine and say it's proof of your believe, but everything in that doctrine cannot be proven also. That's why I said "Apocrypha."


I hate to insult you, but you NEVER understand what I am saying! Which is probably why you even gave those responses. As I've said b4, you are not going to understand completely unless you open your heart to Jesus and let Him in that your understanding may be opened (Revelation 3:20).

I was not saying that our doctrine is our proof, I was saying that all religions have doctrines, but you only asked what else besides the Holy Spirit because Christianity has THE HOLY SPIRIT AS PROOF OF OUR DOCTRINE, and other religions only have their doctrine----besides whiches who deal with demonic forces whether they know or not.

And I am not going to post scriptures that Muslims and Christianity have in common b/c there are a lot, you may still not be understanding this, but that is something that I have been tried to say that I do agree with, but my point was that with all the related scriptures and both having their own doctrine, still, THE HOLY SPIRIT IS PROOF OF THE THINGS WRITTEN IN THE HOLY BIBLE. That is and has been my point!

whiches--supposed to be witches

tried---supposed to be trying

"I hate to insult you, but you NEVER understand what I am saying!"

You call that an insult? Please spare me the corny jokes.

"Which is probably why you even gave those responses."

Or maybe it's because you couldn't speak on the "proof of doctrine" thing with relevance.

"As I've said b4, you are not going to understand completely unless you open your heart to Jesus and let Him in that your understanding may be opened (Revelation 3:20)."

I open my heart to all prophets. I just don't worship them. I learn from them though.

"I was not saying that our doctrine is our proof, I was saying that all religions have doctrines, but you only asked what else besides the Holy Spirit because Christianity has THE HOLY SPIRIT AS PROOF OF OUR DOCTRINE,"

I also asked "what proof?" which you have yet to provide a response to.

" and other religions only have their doctrine----besides witches who deal with demonic forces whether they know or not."

I'm not an expert on the wiccan culture nor have I done much research on them to confirm the demonic forces topic on it so I won't type anything on it.

"And I am not going to post scriptures that Muslims and Christianity have in common b/c there are a lot"

I asked for COMMANDMENTS not scriptures. There's a difference.

"THE HOLY SPIRIT IS PROOF"

Can you provide proof of the Holy Spirit? Can you provide any physical proof of your written doctrine?

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Ok now this is a touchy subeject but I guess I can build up the nerve to take small bite out of this one. There is plenty of evidence of the Holy Spirit. If a person has the Holy Spirit in them others will see it through that persons lifestlye. When a person truly has the Holy Spirit in them their life becomes more than just a life of "GOOD CONDUCT", it becomes a life of Holiness. Now I personally don't believe an individual walks in Holiness 24/7 because thats the equivalent of saying once saved you never sin again and we all know thats not true. But I believe when you cross paths with a person who has the Holy Spirit in them you'll know because one of two things will happen. #1 if you're not saved, the spirit man in you will (not your physical man) become intimidated and want to seperate from the company of the Holy Spirit, or #2 if you're saved and have the Holy Spirit (which also comes with the spirit of discernment) your spirit will recognize the fact that it is in like company and be at ease. I know this because my spirit of discernment sometimes tells me if im in the presence of a person who is just pretending to be saved. Now my physical mind likes to try to to dictate that as well but I try not to do that cause thats judging (lol). But when my spirit warns me of a person its usually for a reason.

PT.2
Now some say (Lord please be with me on this one lol) that the Holy Spirit is evident by the speaking of tongues). Now I PERSONALLY dont believe that the speakinf of tongues is the ONLY WAY to know you have recieved the Holy Spirit rather than possibly A WAY to know you have recieved the Holy Spirit. "Please don't chew my head off" to those who disagree,lol.... But anyway the Holy Spirit's initial duty is to #1 act as a ruler and guide to those who have been born again. And #2 it allows those of us who have been born again to truly see God manifesting himself. (Whew) now i'm done! lol...

When I mention the Holy Spirit as proof of the doctrine of Christianity, I mean the fact that, for example:

I grew up in the Christian church and have always STRONGLY believed in God, but IF I had begun to at any point (like with starting to wonder about astrology--those birth signs (or whatever)while in college), at any point began to wonder about the realness of this whole thing, when I finally got baptized in the Holy Spirit with the EVIDENCE of speaking in tongues (as the Bible teaches) then any doubt was seriously taken away. From that moment on nothing or no one could tell me or even try to prove to me that my God was not real. I had never in my life spoken in tongues and I wasn't the one to try to make myself do it (as some try and then end up in their emotions and start fakin it while trying to make it happen--you can't make yourself speak in tongues FOR REAL) b/c I know that the Bible says that it only comes by the Holy Spirit. Not just the Holy Spirit, but speaking in tongues is evidence to both Christians and non-Christians of what is already written and has been written. This is what I mean, many people have doctrine, but what do religions have to prove to THEIRSELVES that their doctrine is real BESIDES THEIR STRONG BELIEF OR FAITH. There are people jumping from relgiion to religion b/c they have never grown in Christ (still a babe--partly their fault and partly their pastors fault as he is their shepherd and it is their choice to seek growth in Christ).

So not only Muslims, but even SOME Christians are only going by their strong faith in their God and doctrine and the fact that this is what they were raised to believe. But when they are BAPTIZED with the Holy Spirit, it is now no longer just some strong belief---their own doctrine has been proven to them. Now, I believe that there are some Christians who get over-emotional in the church and start thinking and claiming that they have been baptized in the Holy Spirit.

But the point is that the Holy Spirit is evidence and proof of the Christian doctrine. What is the evidence of the doctrine of Jehovah's Witness, Muslim, or Buddhism?

(And why would you keep asking me to post scriptures about the similiarites of Christianity and Muslims when I already said that I agree that there are similarites even in the scriptures?)---oh, but don't ignore the 1st question.

"ME" im kinda confused (lol) are you responding to me or the other gentleman?

Hey "ME" I have a question. I have read the book of acts as well and I did not gather, that you had to speak in tongues to be saved. Now when Jesus gave the plan for salvation HE said all you had to do was truly believe in your heart and confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised Him from the dead and You will be saved. It also says that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth on Him would not perish BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. Where in those scriptures did He say you had to speak in tongues? Now the scriptures I read in my bible that pertained to salvation were written in red which means it was said by Jesus. Now Acts on the other hand was written in black, at least the ones most pentecostols and apostolics refer to. Another thing, the thief on the cross next to Jesus asked the Lord not to forget about him. He didnt speak in tongues yet the Lord told him he was gonna be with Him in paradise. Christian means "follower of Christ" did Jesus himself speak in tongues?

Ok AAB357, I didn't even finish reading your post because I never said that one had to speak in tongues to be saved. That is what happened to me when I got baptized in the Holy Spirit as the evidence of the baptism. Some people have the gift to speak in tongues and some don't. I don't have that gift. Just the move of the Holy Spirit---sometimes has you to do something that is not necessarily your GIFT, but it's just how He wants to use you at the moment. I don't have the gift of prophecy either but I never know, God could use me tomorrow to prophesy for all I know. Matthew 10:19,20 lets us know that it's not us who speaks but God who speaks through us. It's about whether or not you have opened yourself up to be used by Him for His glory. Though my speaking in tongues had nothing to do with God using me at that moment to minister to someone else, I'm just trying to explain.

That post was to Justice and my point was not exactly about speaking in tongues but that the Holy Spirit is the proof of Christian doctrine, which one only experiences when they open themselves up to the Savior, first accepting Him then growing in Him and living faithfully for Him. And I do believe because I have scriptures to prove why I believe this that all Christians need to be baptized in the Holy Spirit.

I'll post the scriptures tomorrow.

"Ok now this is a touchy subeject but I guess I can build up the nerve to take small bite out of this one. There is plenty of evidence of the Holy Spirit. If a person has the Holy Spirit in them others will see it through that persons lifestlye. When a person truly has the Holy Spirit in them their life becomes more than just a life of "GOOD CONDUCT", it becomes a life of Holiness. Now I personally don't believe an individual walks in Holiness 24/7 because thats the equivalent of saying once saved you never sin again and we all know thats not true. But I believe when you cross paths with a person who has the Holy Spirit in them you'll know because one of two things will happen. #1 if you're not saved, the spirit man in you will (not your physical man) become intimidated and want to seperate from the company of the Holy Spirit, or #2 if you're saved and have the Holy Spirit (which also comes with the spirit of discernment) your spirit will recognize the fact that it is in like company and be at ease. I know this because my spirit of discernment sometimes tells me if im in the presence of a person who is just pretending to be saved. Now my physical mind likes to try to to dictate that as well but I try not to do that cause thats judging (lol). But when my spirit warns me of a person its usually for a reason."

Okay all of this "evidence" you've stated does not seem like the work of the "holy spirit" but it it DOES seem like the work of ALLAH/GOD.

That is all.

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"And why would you keep asking me to post scriptures about the similiarites of Christianity and Muslims when I already said that I agree that there are similarites even in the scriptures?)---oh, but don't ignore the 1st question"

Since when did COMMANDMENTS that christians live by become "scriptures?"

Imperial1

Many religions teach "good conduct" as I believe AAB357 has said, but that is why I keep mentioning the Holy Spirit as the evidence/proof of the Bible. See, how Justice can easily say that those good things that people are commanded to do are also of Allah, but what about the Holy Spirit, is that of Allah too? That's what I mean.

You can also be a Muslim in a BGLO as well. I'm a Zeta who just recently converted to Islam. (No not NOI) A lot of these claims I think are from the outside looking in. If it's the other way around i.e. the denounced Zeta, I think it may be from a personal choice or bad experience. All in all though, I can still fufill my 5 pillars while at the same time, be a Zeta. (Don't dare attempt to tell me what you THINK you know goes on in my chapter meetings, because you don't know unless you're actually there.)

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Email: isislaz@yahoo.com


You know what I just realized, and Min. Hatchett I wouldn't blame you for saying, "DUH!!", but Mrs. Jadyn Karrah did speak about how Zeta has ties to NOI and Muslim in general. Justice says that she converted (from Christianity) to Muslim. WOW! But things like this happen to Christians when they join BGLOs, not all get brainwashed with doctrines (rituals, other religions, and masonry) and turn, but some do. Living proof.

Oh, and I'm not saying that I am the living proof.

"Many religions teach "good conduct" as I believe AAB357 has said, but that is why I keep mentioning the Holy Spirit as the evidence/proof of the Bible. See, how Justice can easily say that those good things that people are commanded to do are also of Allah, but what about the Holy Spirit, is that of Allah too? That's what I mean."

The Holy Spirit is of Allah too. Does the holy spirit not do as Allah commands it to do?

Imperial1

How is pledging your heart going against christians principles??? I pledged my heart to my sorority to always do good deeds for people, to always remain sisterly, and to uphold my priciples of my organization. Service, Sisterly Love, Finerwomanhood, and scholarship, i doubt are frowned upon by god. I my Love goes out to my savior Jesus Christ and God and they are always first in my heart, but doing good deeds for Zeta is doing good deeds for mankind and i think every christian should do some type of good deeds for people. Many Zetas do missionary work around the world and help the sick and starving and i think we do those things because we are called upon by God to do them and with the strength of our family, we can. All things are done through christ, who strengthens me

"You know what I just realized, and Min. Hatchett I wouldn't blame you for saying, "DUH!!", but Mrs. Jadyn Karrah did speak about how Zeta has ties to NOI and Muslim in general."

Um, sir, My sorors Pearl, Myrtle, Fannie, Arizona, and Viola had NO ties to the Nation of Islam nor were any of them Muslims when they founded Zeta Phi Beta Sorority Inc. So you sir, are wrong.

"Justice says that she converted (from Christianity) to Muslim. WOW!"

I sure did. But my sorority had nothing to do with it.

"But things like this happen to Christians when they join BGLOs"

And what evidence do you have of that?

"not all get brainwashed with doctrines (rituals, other religions, and masonry) and turn, but some do. Living proof." "

Our founding was not based on religion and we don't go about brainwashing anyone into joining our organization. If a woman says she doesn't want to be a Zeta or a greek PERIOD, I could care less.

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BTW, @ Me

I converted to ISLAM and BECAME a Muslim. Just an FYI.

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What's BTW? Sounds like a familiar abbreviation, but I don't remember it's meaning.

BTW = By The Way

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How is pledging your heart going against christians principles??? I pledged my heart to my sorority to always do good deeds for people, to always remain sisterly, and to uphold my priciples of my organization. Service, Sisterly Love, Finerwomanhood, and scholarship, i doubt are frowned upon by god. I my Love goes out to my savior Jesus Christ and God and they are always first in my heart, but doing good deeds for Zeta is doing good deeds for mankind and i think every christian should do some type of good deeds for people. Many Zetas do missionary work around the world and help the sick and starving and i think we do those things because we are called upon by God to do them and with the strength of our family, we can. All things are done through christ, who strengthens me

Excellent post soror! How many wells have they dug in Africa so people can have clean, running water. Zeta had dug many.

These principles are just dead wieght on paper with no ability or power to enable one to live by them. So what do we have, powerless organizations that want an demand a pedestal to stand on, but are only concerned with those who live according to those principles. What's WRONG with the principles? THEY ARE RELATIVE. What is Finerwomanhood? Sisterly Love? By leaving the door of relativity open, QUITE CLEVERLY I MAY SAY, gives the GLO and its members easy justification for REALLY BAD BEHAVIORS. But what of those behaviors that are condoned by society that are not really wholesome for the "SERVICE" of "WELL-BEING" of mankind?

Respond to this DJ as a woman of God. Then I will come back and give probably one of my most scathing assessments of GLO's, specifically BGLO's. I will include the church in my answer, but there is always that good thing about the church.

Let me share my experience with you. I am saved and filled with the Holy Ghost and also wanted to pledge a fraternity. I had observed all of the unique
characteristics of each. I even obtained information that you would not see until you would be selected for initiation.

During that time in my life I was also engaged to a woman who was a member of a sorority, but who was also saved. One night we discussed the issue of
pledging and she gave me some indication of regret. Then she asked me one powerful, God inspired question, "If the Lord was to tell you not to pledge,
what would you do?" Right then, my heart was BROKEN. That night I asked the Lord if this was so, he would have to reveal to me why? You know probably as well as I do of the numerous people who belong to these organizations and are in the ministry. So I asked God Why? Did I mention that I tried to pledge for four years and each time I was qualified according to
their standard and the schools?

The bottom line was Idolatry! See, our Lord will not have His children be involved in or commit Idolatry. Of course He gives a choice. In the ritual of pledging, whether undergrad, grad, masonry, eastern star, or any other type, they utilize the item called covenants or pacts, where you make vows to the organization or power. This is against God's will! God did not allow it for His natural chosen people, Israel and He doesn't now! The Lord revealed to me all of the things that pointed to the sin of Idolatry
through the material I acquired and most importantly, through His WORD!
God says that we would be held accountable for every idle word that we speak and that we are not to swear by anything, not even ourselves, because we do
not have any power to make even one hair white or black. How dare we even ask our Heavenly Father to do something that is against His will and to
bless it. God forbid. Now, why God would allow some to pledge and others not, I could not tell you. I am only responsible for telling the truth in love. God does not want us to commit spiritual Idolatry, nor
spiritual adultery.

I hope this will bless you and shed light.

In response to the question, "How is pledging one's heart to an organization against Christian principles?"

If this was a sincere question, then I'll answer so we could generate a positive conversation.

The bible says, Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and strength.

BGLO's are notorious for taking scriptures from the bible, changing them to fit the organization, and exalting the organization as a deity. When you replace God with your organization and give the org. what belongs to God it is idolatry.

I knew something was wrong with this pledge the very first time I said it. The Holy Spirit in me was grieved by our saying it. We as Christians can NOT replace our affections for God with our BGLO. I'm sorry but there is no way over, under, or around it. It does not matter if you are reciting promises to do "good things" or not. The problem is the alliance of your heart, mind, and strength to anything or anyone other than GOD ALMIGHTHY.

Here's the line___________________________.
It's Holiness or Hell, we all have a choice. Once you become aware that you made a bad choice, you have to repent, and go warn others for their soul's sake.

It's like taking your tithes and offerings which the bible says in Malachi 3:11 belong to God and giving them to the poor. You are deceiving yourself if you think God will honor your giving under these circumstances. Don't let satan deceive you. God said, not man, not me, or Minister Hatchett. God said, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." We can't get around it.

I would like to get around many things in life, the traffic during rush hour, paying a $300 ticket for speeding, taxes, etc (lol) We all would if we could. However, it is unlawful in the natural. How much more is it unlawful in the spirit realm to take something that God said belongs to Him alone, and knowingly or YES unknowingly give it to someone (something) else. Pledging your heart, mind, and strength is an act of worship. Man is spirit, soul, and body. Our spirit, soul, and body MUST reverence the Lord, God Almighty, who is the MAKER of it!

And the church said, AMENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!

I honestly pray you receive it in the right spirit, get delivered from deception (bondage), and run tell others (help set others free by speaking the Word uncompromisingly). Once you are aware of the truth, you have a responsibility to warn others. From the minute you read this, God's holding you accountable now.

Grace and Blessings

How is pledging your heart going against christians principles???

When you pledge your heart, mind, and strength, whether you realize it or not, you are participating in an act of worship.

The bible says, Love the Lord your God with all of your heart, mind, and strength. Man is spirit, soul, and body.

spirit (heart), soul (mind), and strength (body)

Do you understand now?

If we take our tithes and offering (Malachi 3:11) and give them to the poor, then will God be pleased? Are we not deceiving ourselves with our giving? Does that mean God does not want us to give to the poor? Of course, not.

It just means we can not take what belongs to God and give it to others.

Our worship belongs to God alone.

HA! Erased the contradictions eh?

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But, do you understand the message?

What message? That if you post some accurate condradictions of the Imam of this site, it'll be deleted because he doesn't have enough mental ammo to post back? Yeah I understand that VERY well.

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Reading back over some of the posts, I realized you said this:

Um, sir, My sorors Pearl, Myrtle, Fannie, Arizona, and Viola had NO ties to the Nation of Islam nor were any of them Muslims when they founded Zeta Phi Beta Sorority Inc. So you sir, are wrong.

Now, first of all, who is "sir"? And when she said they had ties with the Nation of Islam / Muslims, she was not saying that they were Muslims-----but let me say that their dealings with them are an example of compromise for an org. that claims to be founded on Christian principles---riiiiggghhht?!

"So you sir, are wrong" So your org. Justice, is wrong.

God bless.

"Now, first of all, who is "sir"?"

The person I was posting to.

"And when she said they had ties with the Nation of Islam / Muslims, she was not saying that they were Muslims-----but let me say that their dealings with them are an example of compromise for an org."

That's where you and her are wrong. We had no dealings with NOI. Period. Now the Sigmas may have since they've been a big sponsor for the Million Man March. But not Zeta.

"that claims to be founded on Christian principles---riiiiggghhht?!"

I don't base my decision on joining an organization that does good deeds to benefit the community on whether or not they're a Christian or Islamic based org.

"So you sir, are wrong" So your org. Justice, is wrong."

No we are not. Go back and read and stop trying to dodge you and your co-ed's contradictions.

Salaam

Justice Cee 103

Question:
How is pledging your heart going against christians principles???

Answer:
I pledged my heart to my sorority

"Question:
How is pledging your heart going against christians principles???

Answer:
I pledged my heart to my sorority"

That doesn't answer the question.

Justice Cee 103

I am a member of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. I am also a believer with a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Becoming a member of a fraternity or sorority is not for everyone. (all things are lawful, but not all are expediant) Before I pledge I asked God if it was something he would allow me to ecome apart of. He answered yes.

Alpha was founded on the "christian" principle of servitude and love. (Manly Deeds, and Love for all mankind) however, they were not founded on Biblical principles. Becoming an Alpha in MY experiance did not weaken my faith. You'd be surprised how pledging gives you a practical application of faith.

You get out of the pledge process what you bring into it. In my case I brought my christian beliefs and I was able to draw from them strength to make it thru that journey.

Although it was acceptable by God in my case does not mean that it is acceptable in everyones case.

Alot of the information regarding the other orgs I can not, nor should others, speak on because I am not a member of those orgs.

Remember man looks at the outward, but God sees the heart.

I would agree that Rev. Hatchett has a vast amount of knowledge of GLO's but there are some area's where Wisdom might be lacking.

When we are tempted we are drawn away by our OWN lust. Everyone's lust is not the same. Therefor what causes one to fall might not cause another to. If being in a GLO caused him to fall and someone is of the same character and disposition as he, then take hede least you fall also. But, if you can become a member of a GLO and maitain you integrity as a christian, then continue pressing onward and upward

Remember, seeking God's will for YOUR life is important before becoming a member of ANY organization
God Bless

So you actually took the beat down route and are calling it God? I don't think so. You actually broke frat and state laws everyday? How does this show forth good fruit. You can make all the excuses you want, but you confessing Christ and getting waxed has probably perpetuated a new generation of hazers.

Now I do not care if you ignore everythng below, but please answer these questions:
WHERE ARE YO AN ALPHA?

HOW IS YOUR CHAPTER IMPACTING THE CAMPUS FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD?

WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE THE GREATEST NEED IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY NOW? HOW IS YOUR CHAPTER GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT?

WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE THE GREATEST PROBLEM TO BE IN OR AFFECTING THE BLACK COMMUNITY TODAY?
WHAT IS YOUR CHAPTER DOING ABOUT IT?


Now when I discuss the ungodliness of GLO's, that is exactly what I am doing. It has nothing to do with you. I think Christians are just compromising whenever they see ungodly PRACTICES in their GLO and do not try to do anything to get it changed. Christians in these groups simply acquiesce with the false teachings of their GLO's. Instead of fighting and contending for the faith, greeks who are saved just let the lies go on. Don't think that people are not gullible enough to believe the lies either, because they are. When are believers going to start making real impacts nationally, instead of just simply saying, "God said it was okay." DO SOMETHING TO STOP THE LIES THAT GREEK ORGANIZATIONS ARE PERPETUATING in their rituals, history books, by-laws and constitution, etc. Christians ought to know better than to perpetuate this cult form of secrecy. Did you read the 7 similarities of Ancient Cults and GLO's on this site? Take a look. This is not coincidence.

HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY WHAT YOUR FRATERNITY HAS DONE TO EPHESIANS 4?

NOW I DO NOT KNOW IF YOU WERE 1 OF THOSE 10-12 GUYS WHO DISCUSSED THE RITUAL LAST WEEKEND, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT THEN OBVIOUSLY, YOU DIDN'T.

Question:

How can one say that a secret society is founded on Christian principles and leave Christ out or even mis-appropriate scriptures.

Everything Jesus did, He did openly and publicly. Jesus didn't have to hide anything. And you say these groups were founded on Christian principles....

For instance, the only one who is the "Light of the world" is Jesus. Jesus then declares to his disciples that they are the "Light of the world... a city which is set on hill that cannot be hid." So it seems to me that the disciples of Christ are the ones who carry the light. But is your light dim?

Just remember its Jesus + nothing or no one else. Jesus does not need man's concotions or witty inventions for His plan to be complete.