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Tense structure of Aux verb + Main verb

Hi,

My question is: I know it is wrong to say "I did not not kept it there" - it should be "did not keep". However, I do not know how to formulate/state the rule behind this. Could someone please help?

Thanks!

Re: Tense structure of Aux verb + Main verb

Neha Goyal
Hi,

My question is: I know it is wrong to say "I did not not kept it there" - it should be "did not keep". However, I do not know how to formulate/state the rule behind this. Could someone please help?

Thanks!


Hi Neha

Yes, I can help. In your example, "did" is the past form of the auxiliary verb "do" and most (but not all) auxiliaries are always followed by the plain (infinitive) form of the main verb (in this case, "keep"), even when it is combined with "not" to form a negative, or used to form a question.

I did keep it there. (not *I did kept it there).
I did not keep it there. (not *I did not kept it there.)
Did I keep it there? (not *I did not kept it there.)
Ed does like Tom. (not *Ed does likes Tom.)
Ed does not like Tom. (not *Ed does not likes Tom.)
Does Ed like Tom? (not *Does Ed likes Tom?)
I did go shopping yesterday. (not *I did went shopping yesterday.)
I did not go shopping yesterday. (not *I did not went shopping yesterday.)
Did I go shopping yesterday? (not *Did I went shopping yesterday.)

And the same applies with the modal auxiliary verbs, like "can" and "must:

Ed can keep it there. (not *Ed can keeps it there.)
Ed can't keep it there. (not *Ed can't keeps it there.)
Can Ed keep it there? (not *Can Ed keeps it there?)

Ed must keep it there. (not *Ed must keeps it there)
Ed must not keep it there. (not *Ed must not keeps it there)
Must Ed keep it there? (not *Must Ed keeps it there?)

Can you see that all the main verbs are in the plain form?

Does that help?

PaulM

* = ungrammatical

Re: Tense structure of Aux verb + Main verb

Hi Paul,

Yes, it does help :)

This is what I am currently looking at: In case of a Aux. Verb + Main Verb combination, the auxiliary takes on the tense and the regular verb stays in the base form for the following auxiliaries:

Primary Auxiliary: All forms of 'do' (but not applicable to forms of 'have' and 'be')
Modal Auxiliary: can/could, must/should, will/shall, may/might, would (unless the usage is one of these 9 auxiliaries + another auxiliary + main verb - e.g., Ed must have kept it there.)

Does this make sense to you?

Regards,
Neha

Re: Tense structure of Aux verb + Main verb

Neha Goyal
Hi Paul,

Yes, it does help :)

This is what I am currently looking at: In case of a Aux. Verb + Main Verb combination, the auxiliary takes on the tense and the regular verb stays in the base form for the following auxiliaries:

Primary Auxiliary: All forms of 'do' (but not applicable to forms of 'have' and 'be')
Modal Auxiliary: can/could, must/should, will/shall, may/might, would (unless the usage is one of these 9 auxiliaries + another auxiliary + main verb - e.g., Ed must have kept it there.)

Does this make sense to you?

Regards,
Neha



Hi Neha

Yes it does. Essentially, you have it right.

Auxiliary verbs are tensed, while the main verbs that follow them are non-tensed. But note that some auxiliaries, like "must", have no past tense form. So another way has to be found to express past tense, such as "Ed must have been on holiday" where the perfect tense indicates that it refers to past time.

But be careful when you say "9 auxiliaries + another auxiliary + main verb", because the modal auxiliaries, like "can" and "will" etc. cannot combine with other modals: you can’t say *He must can swim". But a modal auxiliary can of course combine with the non-modal auxiliary “have”, as we have seen in the “Ed” example above.

PaulM

Re: Tense structure of Aux verb + Main verb

Paul Matthews


Hi Neha

Yes it does. Essentially, you have it right.

Auxiliary verbs are tensed, while the main verbs that follow them are non-tensed. But note that some auxiliaries, like "must", have no past tense form. So another way has to be found to express past tense, such as "Ed must have been on holiday" where the perfect tense indicates that it refers to past time.

But be careful when you say "9 auxiliaries + another auxiliary + main verb", because the modal auxiliaries, like "can" and "will" etc. cannot combine with other modals: you can’t say *He must can swim". But a modal auxiliary can of course combine with the non-modal auxiliary “have”, as we have seen in the “Ed” example above.

PaulM


Ah! That sounds like a complete explanation now. Thanks much Paul, appreciate the help!

Best,
Neha

Re: Tense structure of Aux verb + Main verb

Neha Goyal
Hi,

My question is: I know it is wrong to say "I did not not kept it there" - it should be "did not keep". However, I do not know how to formulate/state the rule behind this. Could someone please help?

Thanks!



Hello Neha,


I don't whether it is a rule or not but I noticed it always no two second form of verb are used for one activity and with one subject.
When you say did- second form, so the next verb must be in such singular form.

Must is not and auxiliary verb it's a model verb

Must - have to ( shows compulsion )
No model verb has past form.

Shall - should (not past of shall but a different model verb )

Re: Tense structure of Aux verb + Main verb

Hello Laddu,

You have made some mistakes in your post:

I don't whether it is a rule or not but I noticed it always no two second form of verb are used for one activity and with one subject.
When you say did- second form, so the next verb must be in such singular form.

The verb that follows auxiliary "do" is always in the plain (base) form.

Must is not and auxiliary verb it's a model verb

Modal verbs are auxiliary verbs, they are just a special kind.


No model verb has past form
.
That's wrong! 4 of the modal auxiliaries have a past form:
can~could, may~might, will~would, shall~should

Shall - should (not past of shall but a different model verb )

Wrong, "should" is the past form of "shall"

PaulM

Re: Tense structure of Aux verb + Main verb

Hey Paul,

I am not surprised. Would you please answer some questions..????

You should take care of your parents. ( do you think this sentence is in past. )

G7E

Do (present)
did (past)
done (participle)

So if "should" is past form then where is the participle form.


Re: Tense structure of Aux verb + Main verb

laddu
Hey Paul,

I am not surprised. Would you please answer some questions..????

You should take care of your parents. ( do you think this sentence is in past. )

G7E
No, it does not have a past meaning, but "should" is nevertheless a past form. The uses of the past forms of modal auxiliaries frequently differ from those of other 'ordinary' past forms, and "should" is highly exceptional in its behaviour. But you can tell that "should" is the past form of "shall" in two ways:

It can be used in backshift: "I knew I should/*shall finish before she returned". Note that the present form "shall" is inadmissible.

And it can be used in remote conditionals: "If they offered me the job, I should/*shall certainly accept". Again, note that the present form "shall" is inadmissible.



Do (present)
did (past)
done (past participle)

That is part of the paradigm for the lexical verb "do", not auxiliary "do":

"I do the washing" (present).
"I did the washing". (past)
"I have done the washing". (participle)

Auxiliary (dummy)"do" has no participle:

"Does she eat fish?" (present)
"Did she eat fish?" (past)
*"Has/have done she eat fish?" (participle, not possible)


So if "should" is past form then where is the participle form?

Modal auxiliary verbs have only the 'primary' forms, past and present.
Lexical verbs have 'primary' forms and the 'secondary' forms: plain, present participle and past participle.



(note: * = ungrammatical)



PaulM