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Anyone in this country who mentions the legal suits now being brought before state and federal courts about Barack Obama’s citizenship question is seen as a fluke. The most common retort is ‘the American people have spoken” but have they?
In fact the sixty seven million people who voted for Barack Obama make up only twenty two percent of the entire population of this country. Regardless of how they voted seventy eight percent of the country remains largely in the dark due to a mainstream media blackout on the subject that could just be the calm before the storm.
The real issue the Obama eligibility question raises isn’t about what the American people said, but it is about what was said to the American people.
In short they were told even if only by omission (un-vetted qualifications) that Barack Obama was perfectly eligible to be a candidate in accordance with the Constitution. In fact with or without the much disputed birth certificate, he is not.
Having admitted on his own website that his father was a British subject automatically disqualifies him under the “natural born citizen” requirements of the constitution. Now cases similar to “Cort Wrotnowski v. Susan Bysiewicz” which is awaiting the results of a Supreme Court conference are popping up across the nation.
Main stream media conspicuously silent on these cases may be in for a rude awakening. Those who are raising this question are more often than not constitutionalists without regard to political affiliation. They will not cease to raise the question before or after the inauguration but should it be post inaugural it can create even more of a national crisis than anyone has yet imagined.
Many ministers and Christian writers have begun to compare Obama with the bible’s King Saul. (1 Samuel 8:1f) The ancient Israelites wanted a king to rule them like the surrounding nations rather than a theocracy with prophets and judges. God gave them what they wanted but not before he sent his prophet to warn them that the price would be paid in the lives of their young being called to military service, high taxes, poverty and other problems that would hound them for generations. The rest is history.
The present court cases that demand the vetting of Obama’s candidacy to state attorneys general, election commission officials, members of the Electoral College and the Supreme Court is much like the warnings of old time but at the very least they are a reprieve for a nation to consider what it is about to do.
The equation may be exaggerated and oversimplified but it goes like this. If our top lawmaker and defender of the Constitution is in violation of its most fundamental laws then perhaps we should open our jails and prisons and let all the law breakers go home. This is an absurdity of course but not totally untenable to common reasoning. It is the idea of such an absurd and extreme outcome that speaks to the extreme conflict the Obama eligibility question is asking us to overlook. Isn’t that a lot to ask even for those who voted for Obama?
It is what causes many people to question Barack Obama’s promise for “change” and a new “transparency.” If by change he meant that we could start a new era in America where the constitution isn’t important anymore then why shouldn’t we all be frightened?
If we have come to a leadership based on popularity, personality, political slogans or anything that precludes our laws then we cannot ignore our own impending demise as a world power.
Finally it does well to remember that throughout history any nation that wanted change and was willing to give up its lawful foundations was always presented with someone who personally promised a new day. Some of those you will remember were Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, Castro and others. Those nations did get a new day and it turned out to be the day they rued.
There is still time to answer or resolve this very important question. I can safely predict that if I know anything at all about the American people it is that some who love this nation and its constitution will not let this subject abate until it has been lawfully and publicly satisfied.
At this point it doesn’t matter whether Sen. Obama produces his birth certificate or not. What should matter is that he has spent approximately $800,000 in legal fees to suppress or cover up a document that costs only ten dollars to produce. Obama’s promise of a new transparency is mocked by this fact.
On December 11, 2008 I submitted a blog entry to the Washington Times article posted Dec 10, 2008 entitled “Justices to mull Obama citizenship again” that best summarizes my position on the matter. I am not surprised to see by the many emails I have garnered from this statement that others feel pretty much the same way. Many veterans wrote to say thanks because they felt exactly as I do.
“The newest cases have nothing to do with producing the birth certificate but
So far, the Supreme Court keeps saying nonsene - correctly, too.
You yo-yos just keep dreaming of some miracle to save you from the President who appears to be your personal boogey man. Unfortunately for you, for better or worse, the dude is a citizen and is now the legally elected 44th President of the United States. All that waits now is the inaugaration and change of command.
Nice alias...or is it just some sort of unconscious freudian wish-fulfilment thing???
Do a big cannon relate to a red leg?
I understand that some of the same idiots are bringing up John McCains status also which includes that he is not a Vietnam veteran since he did not step foot into South Vietnam.
Some people are like I said 'idiots'
The ONE could have resolved the controversy about his birth certificate simply by producing it and making it public. He didnt Because it obviously doesnt exist . All of the judges who dismised the cases without even examining the evidence did so ( i believe ) because they dont want their heads cut off. All of you here know that is what will be the fate of any american who ever dared oppose him. he has learned very well the methods of his Muslim forbears including and most especially his namesake SADDAM.
Buzz, buzz, buzz, you total and complete liar and full-time **** house fly. Sadly, you apprently lack the brains required to come up with interesting new lies, you have to just keep on recycling the old ones.
It is interestingly that Obama has refused to resolve this question by producing his birth certificate. He hasn't and his refusal implies that he has something to hide.
The problem is what would the crises be if it is discovered that he was foreign born? His father was a British citzen. His mother was an American. What does that make Obama?
Big Cannon, you prove yourself to be just as big a liar, or just as ignorant, as Quano.
A birth certificate has been produced. The head of the department of vital statistics in the State of Hawaii has verified that it is a real certificate. Check out the newspaper archives and you find that there is a birth announcement of Obama's birth.
And now the U.S. Supreme Court has thrown out two challenges - they are intelligent to recognize what you guys apparently cannot: The size of the conspiracy required to carry out the kind of fraud that you dimwits suggest is beyond belief.
Give this silly and totally disproven crap up and start dreaming up something more creative to hold against the man, for god's sake.
What jack b is saying is the same thing Hussien has said and is saying that NO one has any right ton question the great one.
The document Hussien and his minionn daily kos etc have produced states right on it that any alterations make that document invailid . The file number is balcked out. An alteration! No one will release the birth certificate obviously because it doesnt exist. There is too much at stake for Iran and Hussien to allow the american people to see if he is in compliance with the United States connstitution. N amely the North american continent . That he can deliver to Iran for the paltry sum of a few Bilion dollars.
Buzz, buzz, buzz. Empty noise trying hard to be annoying.
Duane, You know, you just might to correct on this.
Somebody else made a post using my name. I did not and do not consider Quano as being right about this or almost anything else he has ever said.
JackB was born in Hawaii?
Interesting that a member who signs up can have the same name as someone who is a member. Most sites suggest an alternative.
I have Five Children. Two were born in Korea, and 3 were born in Berlin At the time of thier birth their mother was a citizen of Korea and I was a citizen of the U.S. That make all five of my children citizens by birth. My wife is now a naturlized citizen. or a citizen by choice. Since Baraks mother is a citizen by birth . That makes Barak H. Obama a citizen by birth, Regardless where he was born.From my understanding if one parent is an American citizen, then all offspring is also an american citizen, rovideing that the offspring live in the United States prior to thier 24th birth day. My children that were born in Berlin are reconized as having German citizenship by the bundesrepublik. (West Germany) but the US do not reconize foriegn or dual citizenship.