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Lead by example?

In a true USA crisis, who performed better?

Each circumstance will be different, but let’s take a look at Hurricane Katrina:

· Aug. 29, 2005: The day Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana McCain was celebrating his 69th birthday with President Bush in Arizona
· Forty Senators and 100 members of Congress visited New Orleans before he did; he finally got there in March 2006.
· He voted against establishing a Congressional commission to examine the Federal, State, and local responses to Katrina in med-September 2005. He repeated that vote in 2006.
· (Oct 2005) S.AMDT.2033- Voted NO on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas.
· He voted against allowing up to 52 weeks of unemployment benefits to people affected by the hurricane, and in 2006 voted against appropriating $109 billion in supplemental emergency funding, including $28 billion for hurricane relief.
· McCain Voted Against Five Months of Medicaid For Hurricane Katrina Victims. [11/3/2005]

· Sept. 2, 2005: Obama holds press conference urging Illinoisans to contribute to the Hurricane Katrina relief efforts.
· Sept. 5, 2005: Obama goes to Houston to visit evacuees with Presidents Clinton and Bush (41).
· Sept. 7, 2005: Obama introduces bill to create a national emergency family locator system
· Sept. 8, 2005: Obama introduces bill to create a National Emergency Volunteers Corps.
· Sept. 8, 2005: Obama co-sponsors the Katrina Emergency Relief Act of 2005 introduced by Senator Harry Reid
· Sept. 8, 2005: Obama co-sponsors the Hurricane Katrina Bankruptcy Relief and Community Protection Act of 2005 introduced by Senator Russ Feingold
· Sept. 12, 2005: Obama introduces legislation requiring states to create an emergency evacuation plan for society’s most vulnerable
· Sept. 15, 2005: Obama issues public response to President Bush’s speech about Gulf Coast rebuilding.
· Sept. 21, 2005: Obama co-sponsors bill to establish a Katrina commission to investigate response to the disaster introduced by Hillary Clinton
· Sept. 21, 2005: Obama appears on NPR to discuss the role of poverty in Hurricane Katrina.
· Sept. 22, 2005: Obama and Coburn’s Hurricane Katrina financial oversight bill unanimously passes Senate committee.
· Sept. 22, 2005: Obama’s amendment requiring evacuation plans unanimously passes Senate committee.
· Sept. 28, 2005: Obama and Coburn issue statement about the need for a Chief Financial Officer to oversee the financial mismanagement and suspicious contracts occurring in the reconstruction process
· Sept. 29, 2005: Obama and Coburn investigate possible FEMA refusal of free cruise ship offer
· Oct. 6, 2005: Obama and Coburn issue statement on FEMA Decision to re-bid Katrina contracts
· Oct. 6, 2005: Obama co-sponsors Gulf Coast Infrastructure Redevelopment and Recovery Act of 2005.
· Oct. 21, 2005: Obama releases statement decrying the extension of FEMA director, Michael “Brownie� Brown’s contract. Obama calls Brown’s contract extension, “unconscionable.�
· Nov. 17, 2005: Obama and Coburn introduce legislation asking FEMA to immediately re-bid all Katrina reconstruction contracts.
· Feb. 1, 2006: Obama gives Senate floor speech on his legislation to help children affected by Hurricane Katrina
· Feb. 2, 2006: Obama introduces legislation to help low-income children affected by Hurricane Katrina
· Feb. 23, 2006: Obama issues statement responding to a White House report on Hurricane Katrina. Obama noted that the top two recommendations that the report had for the federal government were initiatives he had been working on since immediately after the storm hit. Obama called the administration’s response “delinquent.�
· May 2, 2006: Obama gives speech about no-bid contracts in Hurricane Katrina reconstruction
· May 4, 2006: Obama’s legislation to end no-bid contracts for Hurricane Katrina reconstruction passed the Senate.
· June 15, 2006: Obama and Coburn announce legislation to require amendment to create competitive bidding for Hurricane Katrina reconstruction for federal contracts over $500,000. Although it passed previously, the language was stripped in conference.
· June 15, 2006: Obama releases podcast about his pending Katrina reconstruction legislation in the Senate.
· June 16, 2006: Obama and Coburn get no-bid Hurricane Katrina reconstruction amendment into Department of Defense authorization bill.
· July 14, 2006: Obama and Coburn’s legislation to end abuse of no-bid contracts passes senate as amendment to Department of Defense authorization bill.
· August 11, 2006: Obama visits Xavier University in New Orleans to give Commencement address
· August 14, 2006: Obama and Coburn ask FEMA to address ballooning no-bid contracts for Gulf Coast reconstruction
· Sept. 29, 2006: Obama and Coburn legislation to prevent abuse of no-bid contracts in the wake of disaster passes Senate to be sent to President’s desk to become law.
· Feb. 2007-Present: As Obama begins his Presidential campaign he references Katrina as a part of his stump speech as he travels around the country in his familiar line, “That we are not a country which preaches compassion and justice to others while we allow bodies to float down the streets of a major American city. That is not who we are.�
· June 20, 2007: Obama co-sponsors Gulf Coast Housing Recovery Act of 2007 introduced by Senator Chris Dodd.
· July 27, 2007: Obama and colleagues get a measure in the Homeland Security bill that will investigate FEMA trailers that may contain the toxic chemical, formaldehyde.
· Aug. 26, 2007: Obama outlines a detailed Hurricane Katrina recovery plan.
· December 18, 2007: Obama calls on President Bush to protect affordable housing in New Orleans
· February 16, 2008: Obama releases statement on toxic Gulf Coast trailers

Which one handled the crises the way you would want a leader to respond considering they were both Senators and not the President at the time. (I wish I could have found more things that McCain had done for the Katrina victims. If anyone can find more I would be interested in learning them.)