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Did you change your mind?

OK, I sit here playing with my computer with the Presidential Debates in the background.
Have any of you changed your mind, after listening to the debate?
Do any of you expect that either candidate can say anything that will change your mind?
When I was younger, I used to think televised debates were a good idea. As I've matured, my doubts have grown. Does a debate of this nature tell us who would be a better President? or simply who is more glib? Could an ugly candidate (Think Abraham Lincoln) be elected after appearing on TV? What if a candidate has a lisp, or stutters? Does that mean he wouldn't be a good President?
In my opinion, starting with the Nixon/Kennedy debates, they have always been about form over substance.

PS: I was never a Nixon fan; but, conventional wisdom is, he lost the 1960 election because he had five-o-clock shadow. Is this the way to select a President?