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Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

If these figures are accurate, could it be that at least some of the wealthy realize how well off they are, and that those less fortunate should have help?
Doc

What's the Matter with Greenwich?
Daniel Gross notes that exit polls show the rich -- "and yes, if you make $250,000 or more you're rich" -- voted for Barack Obama for president "by bigger margins than did the merely well-off. If the exit polls are to be believed, those making $200,000 or more (6 percent of the electorate) voted for Obama 52-46, while McCain won the merely well-off ($100,000 to $150,000 by a 51-48 margin and $150,000 to $200,000 by a 50-48 margin)..."

"Perhaps most surprising was the result from Greenwich, Conn. The Versailles of the tri-state metro area, the most golden of the region's gilded suburbs, the childhood home of George H.W. Bush, went for Obama by a 54-46 margin -- the first time Greenwich went Democratic since 1964."

Mark Penn notes "the most affluent 5 percent supported Obama and that was perhaps the key to his victory last week."


Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

Hide and watch, Russell. I think that you are going to be suprised. I think that he will almost certainly try to get the big ones (middle class tax cut, job stimulus) passed in the first year and probably in the first half of the year.

As Bill pointed out, Obama got the votes of the majority of people who will have their taxes raised by Obama's tax plan. They seem to understand something that a lot of you guys refuse to acknowledge - if you want services, you got to pay for them.

You ask how can Obama keep his promises? Why could he not? Why would he not?

Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

Redleg you assumed right, I am not interested in doing any thing about it except gloat over your misery for the next 4 to eight years. I will say it again, In case you do not understand Barack H. Obama Has ben elect by a majority vote, He is and will be the President of the United States for the next 4 to eight years. Live with it, Junior.

Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

“Those tossing the tea in the harbor were not doing it because it was morally correct to do so but because they were progressive thinking and wanted revolutionary change. Each and everyone of them was a "domestic terrorist" in the spirit of William Ayers.”

John,

I think that to say William Ayers’s violent protests against the US government’s actions in South East Asia and the escalating Vietnam war...or his civil rights rhetoric and anti-imperialist propaganda was in the spirit of the civil disobedience of those tea tossers is like comparing an excessive tea tax to a Molotov cocktail.

just my opinion.....

Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

For those of you who are not aware of this, my major in college was political science. After returning from Vietnam in 1969, I became moderately radicalized by the events going on in America. Most of us were aware of the turmoil that was being expressed in the cities and college campuses across the nation. It could have not been expressed any better than the lyrics from "For What It's Worth": "Something's happening here, what it is isn't exactly clear"....

Anyone with a social conscience would not have missed it. As a result, I became intrigued with the radical underground that had been reported about in the newspapers. I begin to inquire about their goals, aims and manifestos. I found that there was no one consensus. You had communist, Marxist/Leninist, socialist, libertarian, progressive laborites, yippies and groups I had never heard of. But one thing I did notice that was unique to a post modern world (don't you just love that term) was this sense of idealism that collectively we could change the world.

I witnessed mostly young people risking their future by speaking out against the global and domestic hypocrisy and dishonesty of the U.S. government. I heard a call to arms and empowerment to those that felt they could make a difference in the same vain that I could only imagine a young colonial must have felt. To act, to rebel against what was being seen as tyranny by our own government was viewed by many young people as the only acceptable conduct and sense of duty engrained in our hearts by the founding fathers and by the first inaugral speech of Lincoln.

So, what is so wrong with being a "domestic terrorist"? Maybe the problem is just the euphemistic use of the words. For instance, the Hungarian "freedom fighters" as I was told they were called in 1956, were most likely "domestic terrorist" in the eyes of the Soviet Union. More recently, the dissident Buddhists priest of Miramar (formerly Burma) for sure were "domestic terrorist" in the eyes of the military regime that represses all liberties in its country.

It is my understanding and interpretation that the founding fathers including George Washington were "domestic terrorists" and any citizen of the colonies that rose up against the legitimate government of British rule were in the same shoes. The Boston Tea Party was an overt act of "domestic terrorism". Whether you call them rebels, revolutionaries, freedom fighters, or terrorist, they are all the same. They are those that feel that change to the status quo of their existing government cannot be accomplished through peaceful means. Whether their motivation is ill-conceived, mis-guided or not is not as important as the fact they feel compelled to risk their personal health, safety and welfare not to mention life and liberty for what they feel is a noble cause. Less often than not, the motivations, unlike neo-capitalists, of revolutionaries are not driven by self-interest.

So, before you chastize someone for feeling a sense of rebellion just remember, our history has encouraged it and not denigrated it.

Russ, I have to chuckle that you want to include the "hippie" mantra as having political undertones. Not even close and what would you know about it anyway. But as always you want to twist the topic and make it personal. I don't need to apologize for the choices I have made and I am quite content with the consistency in my thoughts and actions.

And for your editfication the "Weather Underground" in its early stages never advocated harming any human being. As a matter of fact, if you check out the 1974 book "Prairie Fire" their self admitted crimes and targets were always aimed at institutions and symbols of what they felt were indications of American Imperialism.

Havana,

Your point is well taken and I can only suggest to not take my comparison so literally. There were, in fact, less extreme methods used by the SDS (precursor to the Weathermen) and, of course, the Yippies believed more in the use of pranks than violence to effectuate change. In my opinion, I think Billy Ayers' heart and spirit were in the right place but his methods and ideologies would never stand the test of time.

John R...

P.S. Didn't those Hungarian freedom fighters use those molotov cocktails?

Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

John
I see you see are reading your little "Red Book" and carry it with you at all times. Keep reading it as it's good for your intellectual thoughts lol.

Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

Gary: It's a pity you don't read more books, red, blue, or otherwise. There is nothing wrong with reading the opposing point of view. If more people had read "Mien Kampf," in the 1930s, The world may have suffered a lot less grief in the 1940s.
Besides, how do we know if we're right when we don't know what the other side is saying? Critical thinking my friend, critical thinking.

PS: I confess that I once TRIED to read the "Communist Manifesto." It put me to sleep somewhere around the third page. Karl Marks was not the most lucid of writers. (He should have let Groucho write it, at least it would have been funny. )

Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

GO AWAY REDLEG!!!!

Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

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Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

discuss ozone?

Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

LOL

Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

And what’s wrong with discussing ozone??? I for one believe that ozone therapy is somewhat clouded in a scientific fog...

Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

I spend most of my waking hours somewhere in the ozone.

Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

I love the smell of ozone in the morning...I hate breathing air I can’t see.

Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

Aw yes! The 60s and 70s in the LA Basin.

Days of Smog Alerts, Crankcase Devices and the dreaded Inversion Layer!

Here in Florida I no longer can see the air that I breath and I gotta say, " I Don't know how to act"!

Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

jaqui hussiebn will get all of his programs in the first 20 days of his reign for there will be no one to object. there will be no republicans in the house and the senate. They will dissappear when he takes control and gets his private army in place. And the large part of the american people will no longer exist when you people here and every other democrat in this nation will point out any and everyone who may try to assert their rights as americans. One of the first things i think the ONE will do is order the U S armed forces to throw down their weapons so they will be easily killed by the islamic terrorists. And you guys will applaud that.

Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

Duane: If you look backover the last several posts, you will see the subject has changed to something lighter. The bus has left the station and you have missed it Ozone Breath.

Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

Hey Quano, when all of that happens, I am sure that you will be among the first to go - so would you do the rest of us a favor? When you first catch on that they are after you, send out a warning message.

You can be the canary in the coal mine for the rest of us. Okay?

Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

jaqui you will be there right behind the ONE's private SS. You will be to Hussien as adilf eochman was to adolf hitler. You will be pointing out the americans who dared disagree with the ONE. From a safe distance behind the islamic fascists. That was how himmler operated fron a safe distance.

Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

Come on now, Quano, do try to keep the evil villians in your wild flights of fancy straight. Am I supposed to be Eichmann or Himmler? Different fellows, different jobs.

Re: The assault that will end America is not on the household wallet. It is the assault on independe

WOW! Duane!!!

Now its very Clear.

"The Ones Private SS"!

I presume these are his private Armies that are Hid threw out the United States in SECRET Training Camps ready to swoop down on the "Real Americans" and take all their Guns away when "The One Gives the Secret Signal". Then they have orders to take away all of the "Little Children's" Bicycles and playgrounds so they will never experience the Joy of playing like children of the past did.

What will this country be? No Real Americans,No Children Playing, no Butterflies, no birds chirping (Well Maybe Buzzards), no cows lazily scratching their A$$es on an Environmentally Safe Exxon Oil Drilling rig under the Blue Montana Sky!

Does all this mean that the Black people aren't going to Riot and Burn down the big cities after all? Or is that still going to happen?

Am I the only one or Does anyone else hear the theme song to "The Twilight Zone" Playing in the Background???