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First, take a look at this AP article by Dena Potter entitled: “Fears of Democrat crackdown lead to gun sales boom.”
This was as predictable as sunrise. We told you a number of times to expect this. But, as with so many things, the Mainstream Media is blindsided by it.
Here’s another report on Americans rushing to arm themselves in advance of the Obama Administration. It’s from CNSNEWS.COM. It’s titled:
“Gun-Shop Business Booms in Advance of New Administration”
Here is a brief excerpt: “……..Gun shops and gun shows are running out of inventory as Second Amendment enthusiasts prepare for Barack Obama to become the new president.” You’ll find the full story here:
Here in “Gun Territory”, just minutes from my home, folks are hurrying to purchase a gun. The gun stores are forced to add new salespeople to handle the increase in customers. You can read the story titled: “Gun Sales Booming After Election, by John Ramsey, at the Fayetteville Observer site at: http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=310283
You may ask why American individuals are buying so many firearms per person. Simple. Some will be used, others will be hidden… concealed. If anyone asks about them they will have been lost, stolen, or destroyed in some kind of catastrophe such as a fire, etc.
Americans are scared witless that the democrats, under the Obama leadership, will make a determined effort to seize their guns. The democrats, including Obama, say they are for “Common sense” gun control. The definition of “Common sense” is what scares gun owners. I mean, when a Congress, so devoid of knowledge about firearms, outlaws an entire type of rifle because it LOOKS scary,” that tells you all you ever need to know about their “common sense.”
Remember those scary weapons? No amount of talking or demonstrating could convince the Congress that the weapons they outlawed were simply weapons designed merely to look militaristic, to look scary. Many hunting rifles carry the same ammunition as those “scary” weapons. The only difference is in the appearance of the weapons. But the “girlie” men in the Congress, and some of the “girlie” girls in the Congress were frightened by the appearance of those weapons… thus… they outlawed them. Talk about “common sense.”
There is a very real concern they will go after concealed weapon laws in the various states that have concealed carry permit laws such as my state, North Carolina. Here in the Tar Heel state one can obtain a concealed carry permit after you have completed a course in handling your firearm and in firearm safety. However, you don’t need a permit of any kind if you carry the weapon in plain sight. Yes, dear reader, you can carry your pistol in a holster, on your belt, in plain sight, and be legal in this state.
We gun owners are not relying on the Supreme Court to preserve our 2nd amendment rights. True, they did just rule that the 2nd amendment means what it says… but… and this is a big BUT… Obama is going to have the opportunity to replace at least two of those justices and, frankly, I cannot see him, or the Senate, approving anyone for the court who is a solid believer in the 2nd amendment. Thus, the fear that soon, our right to guns will be curtailed.
Another thing they have apparently not considered is… a cottage industry springing up in the manufacture of firearms. They are relatively easy to produce in most home workshops.
The majority of Americans now understand, at some level, that America now has a socialist government in power in Washington, DC. They also understand that socialism resembles a whited sepulcher. It may be beautiful on the outside but inside it is filled with the corpses of the dead. Socialism’s outside is layered with promises of all things beautiful but inside there resides the dead bodies of truth. Most Americans know that our new leaders cannot be trusted. That means that the American citizen is vulnerable. That vulnerability is the key to the insecurity that is driving the purchase of weapons.
We are entering a perilous time IN America and FOR America. Already our traditional enemies are moving and positioning their armed forces to areas and positions strategic to their plans for expansion. They know America’s new government will not have the will or the fortitude to stop them and they will have a free hand, especially in Eastern Europe. In the Middle East the Arabs are positioning troops for another onslaught against our only real friend in the area, Israel. Without America’s assistance, Israel will rely on her nuclear arsenal to defeat those age-old enemies. Israel has stated, unabashedly, she will employ her nukes to preserve her freedom, indeed her continued survival.
As US troops begin leaving through Iraq’s front door Iranian troops will likely begin entering the back door. Soon after all US troops are ou
bunch of paranoid people, all they care about is guns guns and more guns
On the Second Amendment,
Don’t Believe Obama!
The presidential primary season is finally over, and it is now time for gun owners to take a careful look at just where apparent nominee Barack Obama stands on issues related to the Second Amendment. During the primaries, Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support for “sportsmen” or unfounded claims of general support for the right to keep and bear arms.
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But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Don’t listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.
FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1
FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.2
FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3
FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4
FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5
FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6
FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.
FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7
FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8
FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9
FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10
FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11
FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2
FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14
FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9
FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9
1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 2, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219)
2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 20087. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)
3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 2, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217)
4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)
5. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004 SB 2165, vote 20.
6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record.” Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php)
7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)
8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7. (http://www.joycefdn.org/pdf/98_AnnualReport.pdf)
9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)
10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.
11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.
12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)
I love the way you Right Wing Wackos List things as "FACT" "FACT" "FACT" as if that is sufficient to take your word for it. Personnally Russ, I wouldn't take your word on the sun rising - You either Duane. Nor would I believe any of your sources.
"Paranoia runs deep - into your dreams it will creep."
Doc you can ignore the attributions all you want but voting records are a matter of public record.
The plain out and out fact is that Obama is a major gun grabber, another fact is that he detests the Constitution as written because it gets in his way of redistribution of wealth...
Doc there is one more thing I wanted to add to in the above post.
if you didn't honestly know that Obama is vehemently anti 2nd Amendment that goes to the fact that you did not do your due diligence in vetting who and what Obama is and what he believes in...more's the pity you are not alone as millions voted for him that have even less of an understanding of the man.
Of course I really can't fault you all that much Doc as Obama's past and his records (birth, school and medical) were sealed precisely so you and the other dunderheads couldn't find out.
Barack H. Obama was elected President of the United States of America by a majority of the vote. He will be the President for the next four to eight years. Live with it.
Russ: If you expect me to shed a tear for your guns, remember this. I wouldn't trust you, or Duane, with the TV remote, much less something that could hurt somebody.
Like I said above why is it that all you think about is guns guns and more guns. I live in NYC am not afraid of walking down my street and own no guns. is the 2nd ammendment all you know or care about?
Well doc that's just fine with me...really it is mox-nix what you think, believe or feel.
However I want you to know that one of the Dumbocrats major icons automobiles has killed more people then all of my weapons combined.
I have yet to shoot anyone by accident.
Gun control is one shot, one kill.....
Also remember " I swear to PROTECT and DEFEND the Constitution from all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC" that includes any assault on the Constitution by Obama, Reid, Pelosi et al.
And Grant we have released you from that oath because you never meant it from jump street...
I have never taken a oath to threathen my President or memberof congress. and I have defended this country with six years in Berlin, Eight years in Korea and one year in Viet Nam You sunshine patriot , wannabe American have the nerve to threten my president and government. You are what I want to cll you.
Grant you pile of horsesqueeze I never threatened anyone.
There are a myriad legal avenues to depose a sitting
President that has nothing to do with bodily injury.
I anticipated that your limited brain capacity would make that God awful connection due to the fact that you are the most verbal bellicose racist I have ever read.
Such you know next to nothing about me, allow me to say that I served 6 years active duty and was wounded in Cambodia, all 3 of my brothers served, one retired as a Air Force E-9, another retired as an Army E-7 and my younger brother served four years. Also my oldest son is a career NCO and has served two combat tours in Iraq.
My father and 3 of his brothers served during WW II and one of my uncles was awarded a impact commission as a 1st Lt. jumped right over the butterbar. I also had several family members fight in Korea.
My 4th great-grandfather and his brother served in the 1st Pennsylvania Cavalry and fought in every major as well as minor engagement that the Pa. 1st Cav. was in.
I have traced my family roots back prior to the Revolutionary War so you can stick that sunshine patriot horsesqueeze and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
As far as threatening the President I couldn't count how many times George Bush was accosted on this here liberal, secular-progressive board.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it since you do everything azzbackwards chump.
I have really got your ass going now, baby cakes.
grant on my worst day and your best day you couldn't get me upset about sh*t. However I have to laugh that you are like a moth to a flame you just can't help yourself.
Jerking your chain is a form of low level entertainment for these dreary cold damp fall time.
I will concede that when you grow up and can carry on a intelligent conversation I might get serious with you.
Until then racist I will continue to jerk your chain.....oh yea the Monday after Thanksgiving is opening day of buck season here in the great State of Pennsylvania why don't you come on up and I will show you what a real man can endure as far as cold winter weather is concerned while hunting. I even have an old .22 rifle around here some place that I will, against my better judgment allow you to carry to give you a sense of what it's like to be a man....
Redleg The inauaration is on January 20. Will you go down to DC to watch the parade and wish President Barak Hussien Obama sucess as the 44th President of the United States of America? and thanks but no thanks on the hunting and gun toting. I had enough of guns when I was in the Army.
Redleg. I am not responding to commements of your grandfather,brothers,sons or any other relatives, and I do appreciate thier service to America. I am responding to the comments that you make on this forum, due to the hate in you As I respect the contributions of your relatives, I would be less of a man to stand by and read your constant insults to my people and multitude of contributions to this nation and it's developement. The fact that America is seen by the world a democracy now, By living up to the creed that all men are created equal.You can not stand the fact that the glass ceiling is smashed to smithereens and this nation will no longer discriminate against qualified men and women anymore when selecting our government. and a simple comment by me will ruin your day. I know it and you know it.You refer to me as a racist, Iam not a racist and neither are you, because I or you have the strentgh, power, or esource to control any one due to race, But you are a miserable bigot , and it really upsets you to know thatBlack,Asian, Hispanic or woman may be doing better than you Redleg I am better educated than you,wealther than you and with all of my health problems, I am probaly healthier than you, Because you are filled with hate. Redleg I have carried my smile on myface all over the world and I have enjoyed shucking and jiving with every group of people in the world. So Redleg settle down accept the fact that Barack H. Obama is the incoming President and as I have predicted will form a shock and awe cabinet and foriegn servive. Live with it. Life is too short.
Funny, we can't even unite these two boards. How on earth is the smooth talker gonna unite a country?
Teri, like Russ, your remarks in this thread are silly and virtually without meaning.
No leader of any group of people on this planet has ever "united" the thoughts or beliefs of all members of their populations.
As for Russ, he is just blowing smoke out of his ass trying to stir something up. He doesn't give a **** about the constitution - he proved that pretty much throughout the Bush administration. Now he makes a joke about defending it - bull****. What he wants to do is pick and choose the pieces that he wants and to hell with the rest of it.
Too bad it doesn't work that way.
Mad doc the second ammendment states "a well regulated milita being necesary to the security of a free state the right of the people to keep and to bear arms shall not be infringed". Now what is difficult to understand about that? Find a copy of the constitution and read it yourself. Or has the Moslem Messiah and President Mohamet Amidinajad forbiden you and every dumbocrat from doing that? Very likely and you dont dare disobey. Now Russ is right that icon of the democrats KILLER kennedy (and not his car) has killed more innocent people than Russ's gun ever has or will.
jackb comes up with this bull**** all the time that bush has destroyed the right of free speech in this country . And yet with impunity he accuuses Bush of Murder because he deposed Jaquis good friend Saddam Hussien and now the people of Iraq have a chance to build a free prosperous society. jaqui doesnt like people to be free. he wants the mideast people to be in bondage as they are in Iran. He wants the US to be a dictatorship under the ONE. dont you jaqui? Jaqui never can cite actual american people who have been denied their rights. Dumbocrats want americans to be slaves in their own country. Actually they want american to not exist.
Mike IVY these people Russ and everyone else that has voiced objection to the ONE'S record of voting against the peoples rights. you nor anyone on this board will not object because all of you know you will like become aquainted with an islamic knife in your back. you will much sooner see your fellow americans murdered as long as the MESSIAH doesnt mark you for retribution.
One other thing americans are buying firearms to protect themselve their familys and their homes from the ONE and his democrats at least for awhile.
Americans are also taking their money and assets out of this country to protect them. juat ask hanoi john how much of his wifes money isleft in this country?
Barrack obama himself where is his money. In Iran of course. the kennedys? Any of the limosine liberals . The Klintons? . Al Gorilla? You can be assured its not in the United states.
Got news for ya!
You can take that "Well Regulated Militia Crap and stick it"! The US Government has always been against the various State Militias. and Obama never had anything to do with that. Its any branch of Federal Law Enforcement stupid! Always has been!
If you are now or have ever been a member of a Militia you will know just who the Militia real enemy is and has been for years. You can just look back to Ruby Ridge or Waco, Two of the reasons that led to the Oklahoma City Building being Blown up by Militia Members.
Also the BATF and FBI keeps a file on all known Militia Members PAST and present and once on it you never get taken off and most likely get put on the new terrorist watch list. That means if you plan on flying anytime you better be prepared for a hard time or report to the airport Nude!
And Duane, I would suggest that you look up "The Militia of Montana" or MOM as we used to call it. Request a meeting with John Trottman or one of his Captains, and they will tell you just who their real enemies are.
My question is:
just how do you arm a country to the teeth that is already armed to the teeth?
Mad doc the second ammendment states "a well regulated milita being necesary to the security of a free state the right of the people to keep and to bear arms shall not be infringed". Now what is difficult to understand about that?
There is nothing that is difficult to understand about that. Now tell me what part of "well regulated" you don't understand? It is obvious the intent is not to allow everyone to run around - armed to the teeth - just because they feel like it.
By the way there are ten amendments in the "Bill of Rights." Let me know when you've read all of them.
Mad doc you have the rightname . Mad not in the sense of being angry but rather the original meaning deranged mentally and emotionally lacking.
The un ited states has always had state militas . meant to defend the people homes. They were expected to furnish their own weapons and could be activted by the federal govt. when it was needed. One of the first times this was done was during the whiskey rebellian of 1794. this was when farmers in ohio and pennsylvania rebelled against the federal tax on whiskey. President George Washington took command of the state militas of pennsyvania and ohio.
Every state had a Milita called that until the early 20th century when the name was changed to national Guard. at the same time the structuring of the U S Military was changed to be more like the rest of the world esp. Europe. But the point is that you really know very little about the U S. Your information comes from sources like william ayers and the other
terrorists anti americans.
Yes i have read the ten ammendments and the ten commandments. The most important of the ten ammendments is the tenth. It states that any powers not allocated to the federal govt is reserved to the people and the states . Im sure now that hussien obama is to reign over the united states you will cheer when he ignores the U S Constitution
I can see that Duane has never been a Member of a so called modern state Militia.
The National Guard is not a Militia. Maybe in the old days it was. But not now, in fact if you ask any real Militia Member past or present and I'm not talking about those Puss-ies on the Boarder picking on the illegal's,,, they will tell you that Federal Troops along with any Federal Law enforcement are their enemies and their main objective is to disarm them and incarcerate them.
You tell any Real Minute Man that,,, and once again "I'm not talking about those wannabe morons on the Boarder that call themselves 'Minute Men", and they will probably shoot you on the spot.
I never once seen the Feds trying to Disarm the National Guard, but I have seen the BATF working hard at Disarming John Trotman and Bo Gritzs Bunches.
I also suggest if you need any help protecting your home, "Just call the Police" that's what I do, I turned my Street Sweeper in long ago!
Jinks: The National Guard evolved from the old militia system because it was so inefficient. Militias were entirely under the control of the state, this included training, uniforms, OFFICERS, and weapons. In many cases their performance was uneven at best, and down-right useless at worse.
Duane: You keep pretending that you are talking about State Militias, when you really mean a bunch of armed yahoos who call them selves a Militia without any official authorization, State or otherwise. The system was changed because even the legal State Militias were inefficient in combat. They were of little use beyond putting down public disturbances, like the Whiskey Rebellion, or occassional Indian uprising.
The regiments of the civil war were not Militia, even though they had state designations. They were officially "U.S.Volunteers." The state designation (12th Illinois, 14th New York, etc.) reflected the state where the regiment was recruited.
Most of the 22nd Infantry Regiment Vets here know the story of the motto "Regulars By God!" In Brief: The first time they went into action, during the War of 1812, the British commander at first thought they were just another militia unit. When the troops performed professionally, and routed the British, the commander said "THAT'S NOT MILITIA - THOSE ARE REGULARS BY GOD!" If militia hadn't had a poor reputation, even among our enemies, he wouldn't have said that.
The Union troops who ran at 1st Bull Run were mostly militia. The Union troops who finally cornered Lee, at Appomatox, were U.S.Volunteers. I think the Confederacy operated pretty much on the same system. I know most Confederates didn't think much of their own state militias. (They regarded militia troops as a bunch of "stay-at-homes" who were trying to avoid combat. That should sound familliar to veterans of our era.)
MAD doc the americans at lexington and concord were volunterr milita formed to defend their familys homes. They didnt run rather the British were pushed all the way back to boston. as i ahve said before all the atates had miliy=tia formed by the states too protect the states and the antion. and they were all volunters. Did YOU volunter to go to vietnam . I did.
Now you talk about miltia of Montana. Now there was a group of people who baracaided themselves on a ranch near jordan montana in the early 90's. But no one was harmed.
However in Texas the democrats ******* willie and his shaky A G janet reno attacked a religious group burning to death dozens of children because their parents had a different view on things. And im sure none of you here were in the least bothered by those little kids being burned alive. Were you? In idaho randy weaver and his family were attacked by troops of the very same democrat administration. Viki
weaver was killed by a democraT sniper while she held her infant. Their son was shot in the back by an democrat sniper. The democrats from ******* willie didnt have an arrest or search warrant. and ol slick willie was or is a moderate. Whats going to happen when the ONE the messiah seizes control with his private army? oh and when weaver surrendered he was aquitted on all of the charges but one minor one failing to appear. all those people killed by democrats just to show the rest of the country that democrats can and will go to any length to show they have power and will use it.
I'm very Puzzled here.......
What does the Militia and Volunteering for Vietnam have to do with anything??? Of course unless you were in the Militia of So. Vietnam!
And the Militia Of Montana or "MOM" was not involved in the 90s incident you speak of, it was the "Freemen", It was also Conducted by the US Marshals,,,,,,,, Dummy!
Also ,,Who said the "FBI" Sniper that Shot Weavers wife was a Democrat? I heard he was a Republican.
By the way the WACO deal was led by the BATF not the FBI...
You really need to fire that town drunk that you are getting your information from.
It was a democrat administration that set those fedetral officers on the peaceful people . David koresch and the weaver family . It was the democrats who burned the children alive at the retreat in waco. it was the democrat admiistration klinton and his AG shaky janet reno who ordered the killings of people who posed no threat to anyone and if they had been given the oppurtunity to have a trial would have been aquitted ,. but klinton and all the democrats didnt want those americans to have trials. it was klinton who ordered Elian gonzales to be torn out of the home he was living in by armed brutal agents . remember the picture of the INS trooper sticking a loaded automatic waeapon in the boys face. that was done to placate klintons friend Castro.
Let Me ask once again......What does the Militia and Volunteering for Vietnam have to do with anything???In fact that's one of the most Mindless comparisons that I have ever read.
Also, since when did you ever Give a Sh-it about the Cubans? From the way you post you view all Hispanics as nothing more than a bunch of Drunken Illegal Aliens.
The only reason you use any of the people you mentioned in your post is so you you can Cry about the Dems or Obama.
Then Im sure after you make that post you try and Decide just which Pillow Case you are going to wear on your next Night Ride....
I'm still trying to figure out what the minute men, at Lexington and Concord, have to do with the U.S. Constitution. We didn't have a Constitution in 1775. We didn't even have a country until 1776; the Constitution was written and ratified years later.
Im still trying to find those Militia Members that went to Vietnam?
MAD doc those americans at lexington and concord made it possible for the united states to exist. without them defeating the British there would have been no United states no u s constitution. that is the connection . and they were militia men. Im sure you dontb like the idea that they made this nation possible. maybe you can get joe binbiden to write them out of history. the ONE will support that.
What an Idiot, the Militia was sent out to stop bullets and the ones that didn't break ranks did just that.
MAD doc the militia at lexington and concord went there to keep the british from taking their stores of gunpowder and musket balls. They succeeded. I know you detest America and Americans and get your history from Hussien Saddam and Barrack. The united states at the orders of thomas jefferson fought a war against muslims in the early Nineteenth century . Won it too. Dont you just hate that fact. Maybe joe binbiden can rewrite that part of history and make the muslims win to satisfy Hussien.