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Re: Re: On The Use of Cheap (rhetorical) Tricks

Here we go again. Problems with logic and language.

1. STATED TOPIC: "The Use of an Alias or Pen Name"

2. STATEMENT: "The use of an alias or pen name is a proud literary tradition that only ignorant asses mistake as something wrong or inappropriate or that there is some kind of devious intent by the person using a “handle.”

3. EVIDENCE: Verifiable facts and historical information from numerous sources were cited.

4. PROVEN CONCLUSION: "It's OK to use an Alias or Pen Name."

CRITIQUE OF THE COUNTER ARGUMENT POSTED: Changing the subject from ""The Use of an Alias or Pen Name" to how people "feel" and alleged "voluminous postings" does not support or establish a logical counter-argument or facts related thereto.

How people "feel" and alleged "voluminous postings" is not a valid line of reasoning to counter, dispute or refute "It's OK to use an Alias or Pen Name."

References to how people "feel" and alleged "voluminous postings" is not a valid line of reasoning.

Why not? Because how people "feel" and alleged "voluminous postings" and even alleged “devious intent” are matters of opinion, not fact.

There is no fact or evidence that can be seen, held, heard, touched, smelled or tasted to support these beliefs.

There is no set of facts or evidence that one may cite to lead one to such a conclusion.

To illustrate, at one time, most people held to the opinion that the earth was flat.

When published theories began to circulate that the planet may not be as flat as people "felt" it was, the theories where pooh-poohed and ridiculed.

But:

All one needed to do is prove a simple fact: Sail out into the ocean far enough to go beyond the line vision (the horizon!) avoid falling over the edge and return to shore dry and unharmed and uneaten by giant man-eating sea monsters.

Now let's move on to the issue of "the center of the universe."

It was generally believed at one time that the earth was the center of the universe and all the planets, sun, moon, comets and stars revolved around us!

Followers of certain religious beliefs were even commanded to believe this and swear on oath that this was true or be ostracized, cast out of the church and suffer eternal ****ation -- after death by being burned at the stake.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FACT AND AN OPINION IS SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND.

Facts are "things" such as physical objects or "conditions" that exist above, below, inside, outside and all around us.

Opinions are statements that are believed to be true.

The key difference is the phrase “believed to be true” that may be in part based, on observable phenomena or facts.

There is no argument that “opinions” and “thoughts” exist, but rather the content of those thoughts or opinions is what is in question.

An opinion may have a basis in fact, such as an observable phenomenon: "If one goes too far out to sea, and disappears from sight, it is because one has sailed too close to the edge of the flat earth and will fall over that edge and be eaten by giant sea monsters."

THE POINT: A thousand opinions do not negate or diminish the simple fact such as "It's OK to use an Alias or Pen Name."

Cheap rhetorical trickery such as making accusations of "wrong or inappropriate" behavior does not change the facts, except, of course, in the minds of those "ignorant asses" who would continue to insist that the earth is flat and is squarely situated in the center of the universe, or that I meant to harm or actually harmed someone.

Re: Re: Re: On The Use of Cheap (rhetorical) Tricks

Wolf,

Several people have expressed to me that they feel your voluminous postings (FACT) under several aliases (FACT) is to deliberately divert attention away from discussions you don't like or which are unfavorable to you or others you associate with. (OPINION based on more FACTS and OPINIONS.)

This latest crap is further evidence of your annoying habits. Please consider adopting the more honest practice of avoiding the use or aliases, shortening your postings and responses for the sake of simplicity and clarity, and immediately answering questions posed to you.

I speak for several when I tell you that we would appreciate it. We don't need to use aliases to get our point across. Why do you? Why do you try to hide your identity sometimes?

You have referred to us as "ignorant asses". I guess Ahmed R. can't associate with you now. Join the club.

-Mike Foulks

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Here we go again. Problems with logic and language.

1. STATED TOPIC: "The Use of an Alias or Pen Name"

2. STATEMENT: "The use of an alias or pen name is a proud literary tradition that only ignorant asses mistake as something wrong or inappropriate or that there is some kind of devious intent by the person using a “handle.”

3. EVIDENCE: Verifiable facts and historical information from numerous sources were cited.

4. PROVEN CONCLUSION: "It's OK to use an Alias or Pen Name."

CRITIQUE OF THE COUNTER ARGUMENT POSTED: Changing the subject from ""The Use of an Alias or Pen Name" to how people "feel" and alleged "voluminous postings" does not support or establish a logical counter-argument or facts related thereto.

How people "feel" and alleged "voluminous postings" is not a valid line of reasoning to counter, dispute or refute "It's OK to use an Alias or Pen Name."

References to how people "feel" and alleged "voluminous postings" is not a valid line of reasoning.

Why not? Because how people "feel" and alleged "voluminous postings" and even alleged “devious intent” are matters of opinion, not fact.

There is no fact or evidence that can be seen, held, heard, touched, smelled or tasted to support these beliefs.

There is no set of facts or evidence that one may cite to lead one to such a conclusion.

To illustrate, at one time, most people held to the opinion that the earth was flat.

When published theories began to circulate that the planet may not be as flat as people "felt" it was, the theories where pooh-poohed and ridiculed.

But:

All one needed to do is prove a simple fact: Sail out into the ocean far enough to go beyond the line vision (the horizon!) avoid falling over the edge and return to shore dry and unharmed and uneaten by giant man-eating sea monsters.

Now let's move on to the issue of "the center of the universe."

It was generally believed at one time that the earth was the center of the universe and all the planets, sun, moon, comets and stars revolved around us!

Followers of certain religious beliefs were even commanded to believe this and swear on oath that this was true or be ostracized, cast out of the church and suffer eternal ****ation -- after death by being burned at the stake.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FACT AND AN OPINION IS SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND.

Facts are "things" such as physical objects or "conditions" that exist above, below, inside, outside and all around us.

Opinions are statements that are believed to be true.

The key difference is the phrase “believed to be true” that may be in part based, on observable phenomena or facts.

There is no argument that “opinions” and “thoughts” exist, but rather the content of those thoughts or opinions is what is in question.

An opinion may have a basis in fact, such as an observable phenomenon: "If one goes too far out to sea, and disappears from sight, it is because one has sailed too close to the edge of the flat earth and will fall over that edge and be eaten by giant sea monsters."

THE POINT: A thousand opinions do not negate or diminish the simple fact such as "It's OK to use an Alias or Pen Name."

Cheap rhetorical trickery such as making accusations of "wrong or inappropriate" behavior does not change the facts, except, of course, in the minds of those "ignorant asses" who would continue to insist that the earth is flat and is squarely situated in the center of the universe, or that I meant to harm or actually harmed someone.