Thou wouldst eat thy dead vomit up,
And howl'st to find it.
from Henry IV, part 2


Thou clay-brained guts, thou knotty-pated fool, thou *****son obscene greasy tallow-catch!
from Henry IV, part I


Rogue, thou hast liv'd too long.
from Antony and Cleopatra


Methink'st thou art a general offence and every man should beat thee.
from All's Well That Ends Well


O, [thou art] as tedious as a tired horse, a railing wife, Worse than a smoky house.
from Henry IV, part I


[Thou art] a fusty nut with no kernel!
from Troilus and Cressida


[Thy] tongue outvenoms all the worms of Nile.
from Cymbeline


Thou loathed issue of thy father's loins!
from Richard III


Your bum is the greatest thing about you; so that in the beastliest sense, you are Pompey the Great.
from Measure for Measure


Thou wouldst eat thy dead vomit up,
And howl'st to find it.
from Henry IV, part 2

You are not as Wolf Weiss characterizes you, Mr. Foulks. You, sir, are a slash and burner.

In the suburban courthouses, there are certain "slash and burn" litigators. We all know who they are. They get away with it once - maybe twice - with certain judges. They usually get away with it only once with each of their adversaries. Word spreads about such lawyers quickly. It doesn't take too long before no one cuts them breaks. A want of civility gets paid back quickly.

In the "Loop", it's easier to get away with that kind of rudeness for a longer period of time. But eventually, all of the slash and burn types get their cookies served back to them on a plate.

It's a pity that a guy who has such energy and desire to do some good for his fellow Chicago cabdrivers should be a slash and burner. Matthew whose posting is just above recognizes how it undermines your credibility and weakens the efforts being made by all others who have programs that really aren't at odds with yours.

There's not much to say about your enmity, your animus, your venom, a poison that holds you back from accomplishing the very things you claim you are trying to achieve.

Take a step back for a day and think about it before you march forward. You're not hurting me. My days of competing at the Bar are past. That's why you can spew out verbal vomit and just get yourself wet. If I win for my pro bono clients, good. If you wish on us defeat, maybe your ill wish will come to pass. In the words of Rhett Butler: "Frankly, I don't give a _ _ _ _ ."


Donald Nathan

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Donald Nathan is a Lawyer AND a Dirtbag.

Want to see his dirt?

Check out SOME of his e-mails from last year, especially all of you new people who don't know this dirtbag as well as the rest of us who reject him for good reason.

I've posted a lot of them below, in the middle of the thread that Peter Enger started, entitled "mike's democratic process".

Have fun reading, everyone!

-Mike Foulks

Mr. Nathan,

If this is any example of your ability to build a substantive argument, your chance of winning anything for Chicago cabdrivers is nearly zero.

1) You fail to define what you mean by "slash and burn".

2) You fail to explain any example of "slashing and burning undermining my credibility".

3) You fail to show how I've weakened anybody's "efforts" or "programs".

I've clearly wished you luck in your ill-presented lawsuit. You aren't only hurting yourself when you fail, Mr. Nathan...

You have hurt and are still hurting Chicago cabdrivers (and their real "friends") who are trying to help themselves without the likes of you.

I suggest you focus more on your ill-fated lawsuit, Mr. Nathan. It may be your last chance to redeem yourself, if only to yourself.

You just might become the very Pariah you imagine me to be amongst my fellow cabdrivers.

Why haven't you answered any questions about your e-mails I've posted below in the middle of the thread Peter Enger started entitled "mike's 'democratic" process"?

Cat got your tongue?

-Mike Foulks

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You are not as Wolf Weiss characterizes you, Mr. Foulks. You, sir, are a slash and burner.

In the suburban courthouses, there are certain "slash and burn" litigators. We all know who they are. They get away with it once - maybe twice - with certain judges. They usually get away with it only once with each of their adversaries. Word spreads about such lawyers quickly. It doesn't take too long before no one cuts them breaks. A want of civility gets paid back quickly.

In the "Loop", it's easier to get away with that kind of rudeness for a longer period of time. But eventually, all of the slash and burn types get their cookies served back to them on a plate.

It's a pity that a guy who has such energy and desire to do some good for his fellow Chicago cabdrivers should be a slash and burner. Matthew whose posting is just above recognizes how it undermines your credibility and weakens the efforts being made by all others who have programs that really aren't at odds with yours.

There's not much to say about your enmity, your animus, your venom, a poison that holds you back from accomplishing the very things you claim you are trying to achieve.

Take a step back for a day and think about it before you march forward. You're not hurting me. My days of competing at the Bar are past. That's why you can spew out verbal vomit and just get yourself wet. If I win for my pro bono clients, good. If you wish on us defeat, maybe your ill wish will come to pass. In the words of Rhett Butler: "Frankly, I don't give a _ _ _ _ ."


Donald Nathan

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Replying to:

Donald Nathan is a Lawyer AND a Dirtbag.

Want to see his dirt?

Check out SOME of his e-mails from last year, especially all of you new people who don't know this dirtbag as well as the rest of us who reject him for good reason.

I've posted a lot of them below, in the middle of the thread that Peter Enger started, entitled "mike's democratic process".

Have fun reading, everyone!

-Mike Foulks

My Big Bad Mouth

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By MIREYA NAVARRO
Published: February 8, 2007
New York Times

IT has become a Hollywood cliché: Utter bigoted language in anger. Issue a carefully fashioned apology. Announce “I need help.” Meet with civil rights leaders for support. Set out on the path to salvation.

Mel Gibson went this route after exploding into an anti-Semitic rant after being stopped for drunken driving. So did Michael Richards after being booed off the stage of a comedy club for a racist tirade. Then came the actor Isaiah Washington, of the ABC series “Grey’s Anatomy,” who used a homophobic slur on the set last fall against one of his co-stars, T. R. Knight, who is gay but had not publicly announced his sexual orientation. Mr. Washington set off a firestorm anew last month when he repeated the slur at the Golden Globes by denying he had ever said it.

Like the other two celebrities, Mr. Washington adhered to the script for public penance. But while Mr. Gibson went into alcohol treatment and Mr. Richards began psychiatric counseling, Mr. Washington took an extra step to show remorse, mollify detractors and probably save his career. He spent several days at a center offering a combination of psychological assessments, counseling and sessions on anger and stress management, saying he needed to understand “why I did what I did.”

It could be argued that Mr. Washington, 43, was guilty of just a poor word choice. But his decision to delve into his innermost feelings raises a question: Can bigotry be kicked, like drugs or smoking?

Mental health professionals are divided on the question and psychiatrists have long debated whether racism and extreme prejudice should be classified as mental disorders. There are currently no treatment guidelines for such a condition, according to the American Psychiatric Association. But those seeking “rehab” for prejudices are offered help in a variety of forms, from therapy and sensitivity coaching to behavior modification and anger management classes.

As for whether true transformations can occur, even counselors who believe in the possibility say the best-case scenario for most people is to change behavior and not necessarily beliefs.

“Beliefs are nurtured in childhood and through exposure,” said Dr. Jack Drescher, a psychiatrist in New York and former chairman of the American Psychiatric Association’s committee on gay, lesbian and bisexual issues. “Some people can take new experiences and some people can’t.”

Researchers say that most people harbor some form of bias, but that denial is rampant. The degree of the problem varies from deep-seated bigotry to more benign issues like ignorance or immaturity. Last week, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. showed that, for whatever reason, he was afflicted by a malady of the mouth when he described his fellow Democratic presidential candidate, Senator Barack Obama, as “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.”

Senator Biden’s gaffe aside, Deena Pargman said the most common scenario she sees in her work as a corporate sensitivity coach is that of a generally decent person who says “one stupid thing.”

Ms. Pargman, of Atlanta, said the ogre who blatantly spews prejudice is pretty much gone from the workplace. What gets people in trouble these days, she said, is usually an inappropriate remark at a holiday party, or an offensive joke passed around by e-mail message, or name calling during a game with the company sports team.

In five-hour sessions, Ms. Pargman said she homes in on techniques to help clients adhere to professional behavior, like identifying what she calls “red light” situations.

“Jokes that include ethnicity are a red light,” she said. “Talking about body parts or how clothing fits is a red light. A green-light situation is talking about your dog.”

To get to the roots of bias, though, some people seek therapy. Matthew Weissman, a clinical psychologist in Washington whose patients include people struggling to accept a relative’s or co-worker’s homosexuality, said he starts by probing how biases may have seeped into the patient’s consciousness.

“What did you hear at the dinner table?” he asks. “Did you hear your dad making slurs? It’s a lot like curing a disease. You have to get to a cause.”

A second step, Mr. Weissman said, is to find out what is going on in that person’s life. “They may be going through a difficult financial time,” he said. “They lost a job, a relationship is falling apart. Prejudice helps them feel superior at a time they themselves are feeling oppressed.”

He said patients must undergo a process of re-education in order to change views — visiting a Holocaust museum in the case of anti-Semitism, for instance, or befriending a co-worker of another race.

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Patricia G. Devine, a psychology professor at the University of Wisconsin who researches how people learn to control their prejudices, said that for most people, it doesn’t take an outburst of derogatory language to indicate a problem. A friend may point out an insensitive remark, she said, or the person may make a wrong assumption, like mistaking a female doctor for a nurse.

Professor Devine, too, said that those who find such responses unacceptable can overcome the tendency to think in stereotypes, but it takes vigilance. One strategy, she said, can be as simple as putting up posters or computer screen savers with images that counter stereotypes — such as pictures of female government leaders.

Realizing the cost of prejudice can provide a powerful motivation for change. Timothy R. Zaal, who said he became a full-fledged “Aryan warrior” as a teenager, found the motivation to overcome his hatred of nonwhites after becoming a father.

Mr. Zaal, 42, who once served a year in a county jail for assaulting an Iranian couple, now shares his tale of redemption as a speaker for the Simon Wiesenthal Center here. He said personal experiences helped shape his bigotry: a brother was shot by a black stranger, and his parents moved the family out of his childhood neighborhood in Los Angeles when they felt outnumbered by Latino newcomers.

But then his son was born. “I spent sleepless nights thinking, ‘What am I doing to my child?’ ” he said. “ ‘Is it detrimental to his health and happiness?’ ”

The answer came one day at a grocery store, he said, when his son, then 2, blurted a racist epithet when he spotted a black customer and “people looked at me and saw the demon poisoning this child’s mind.”

Mr. Zaal, who at the time worked as an industrial electrician, said he first moved to Arkansas to sever ties with his supremacist group. He then took advantage of business trips to Miami, New Orleans and other cities to get to know people of other ethnic groups and soon realized his perceptions had been symptoms of fear and resentment. One person he befriended, a Jewish woman, is now his wife.

Mr. Zaal offers his experience as evidence that some people can succeed, but says there is no magic bullet. “I didn’t become a racist in one day,” he said, “and I didn’t get out of it in one day.”

The founder of the Wiesenthal Center, Rabbi Marvin Hier, said he measures sincerity by actions, like Mr. Zaal’s willingness to make amends. But Rabbi Hier, who met with Marlon Brando when the actor faced criticism after making anti-Jewish remarks in a television interview, said he is generally skeptical of apologies by celebrities.

“How do you know when an actor is not acting?” he asked. “It has to be taken to heart.”

The gay-rights groups that have met with Mr. Washington say they do take him at his word. And, perhaps surprisingly, they argued that an anti-gay pejorative may not be a reliable indicator of homophobia.

“Huge numbers of people are using this language repeatedly in schools,” said Kevin Jennings, executive director of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, who has met with the actor along with Neil Giuliano, president of the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. “They think it really doesn’t hurt anyone. Most people using this language are using it unthinkingly.”

Mr. Jennings said Mr. Washington was receptive to the idea of doing public-service announcements and speaking at schools. It would not be unprecedented. Bob Hope did an announcement after uttering an anti-gay slur on “The Tonight Show” in 1988, Mr. Giuliano said. “Prejudice hurts, kills,” Mr. Hope intoned in the ad. “Please don’t be a part of it.”

And that may be the upside of rehab of the mouth.

“This is a great opportunity to tell people that this language is not acceptable,” Mr. Jennings said.

"Big Bad Mouth",

I read the article you posted several times.

I don't see how it applies at all.

I was carefully clear:

Mr. Nathan is a lawyer. Mr. Nathan also happens to be a dirtbag.

I don't think that either lawyers or dirtbags should take any offense, other than having Mr. Nathan in their groups.

I don't "hate" good lawyers; even some dirtbags are lovable.

Unfortuntately, Mr. Nathan isn't either of those.

-Mike Foulks

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My Big Bad Mouth

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By MIREYA NAVARRO
Published: February 8, 2007
New York Times

IT has become a Hollywood cliché: Utter bigoted language in anger. Issue a carefully fashioned apology. Announce “I need help.” Meet with civil rights leaders for support. Set out on the path to salvation.

Mel Gibson went this route after exploding into an anti-Semitic rant after being stopped for drunken driving. So did Michael Richards after being booed off the stage of a comedy club for a racist tirade. Then came the actor Isaiah Washington, of the ABC series “Grey’s Anatomy,” who used a homophobic slur on the set last fall against one of his co-stars, T. R. Knight, who is gay but had not publicly announced his sexual orientation. Mr. Washington set off a firestorm anew last month when he repeated the slur at the Golden Globes by denying he had ever said it.

Like the other two celebrities, Mr. Washington adhered to the script for public penance. But while Mr. Gibson went into alcohol treatment and Mr. Richards began psychiatric counseling, Mr. Washington took an extra step to show remorse, mollify detractors and probably save his career. He spent several days at a center offering a combination of psychological assessments, counseling and sessions on anger and stress management, saying he needed to understand “why I did what I did.”

It could be argued that Mr. Washington, 43, was guilty of just a poor word choice. But his decision to delve into his innermost feelings raises a question: Can bigotry be kicked, like drugs or smoking?

Mental health professionals are divided on the question and psychiatrists have long debated whether racism and extreme prejudice should be classified as mental disorders. There are currently no treatment guidelines for such a condition, according to the American Psychiatric Association. But those seeking “rehab” for prejudices are offered help in a variety of forms, from therapy and sensitivity coaching to behavior modification and anger management classes.

As for whether true transformations can occur, even counselors who believe in the possibility say the best-case scenario for most people is to change behavior and not necessarily beliefs.

“Beliefs are nurtured in childhood and through exposure,” said Dr. Jack Drescher, a psychiatrist in New York and former chairman of the American Psychiatric Association’s committee on gay, lesbian and bisexual issues. “Some people can take new experiences and some people can’t.”

Researchers say that most people harbor some form of bias, but that denial is rampant. The degree of the problem varies from deep-seated bigotry to more benign issues like ignorance or immaturity. Last week, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. showed that, for whatever reason, he was afflicted by a malady of the mouth when he described his fellow Democratic presidential candidate, Senator Barack Obama, as “the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.”

Senator Biden’s gaffe aside, Deena Pargman said the most common scenario she sees in her work as a corporate sensitivity coach is that of a generally decent person who says “one stupid thing.”

Ms. Pargman, of Atlanta, said the ogre who blatantly spews prejudice is pretty much gone from the workplace. What gets people in trouble these days, she said, is usually an inappropriate remark at a holiday party, or an offensive joke passed around by e-mail message, or name calling during a game with the company sports team.

In five-hour sessions, Ms. Pargman said she homes in on techniques to help clients adhere to professional behavior, like identifying what she calls “red light” situations.

“Jokes that include ethnicity are a red light,” she said. “Talking about body parts or how clothing fits is a red light. A green-light situation is talking about your dog.”

To get to the roots of bias, though, some people seek therapy. Matthew Weissman, a clinical psychologist in Washington whose patients include people struggling to accept a relative’s or co-worker’s homosexuality, said he starts by probing how biases may have seeped into the patient’s consciousness.

“What did you hear at the dinner table?” he asks. “Did you hear your dad making slurs? It’s a lot like curing a disease. You have to get to a cause.”

A second step, Mr. Weissman said, is to find out what is going on in that person’s life. “They may be going through a difficult financial time,” he said. “They lost a job, a relationship is falling apart. Prejudice helps them feel superior at a time they themselves are feeling oppressed.”

He said patients must undergo a process of re-education in order to change views — visiting a Holocaust museum in the case of anti-Semitism, for instance, or befriending a co-worker of another race.

(Page 2 of 2)

Patricia G. Devine, a psychology professor at the University of Wisconsin who researches how people learn to control their prejudices, said that for most people, it doesn’t take an outburst of derogatory language to indicate a problem. A friend may point out an insensitive remark, she said, or the person may make a wrong assumption, like mistaking a female doctor for a nurse.

Professor Devine, too, said that those who find such responses unacceptable can overcome the tendency to think in stereotypes, but it takes vigilance. One strategy, she said, can be as simple as putting up posters or computer screen savers with images that counter stereotypes — such as pictures of female government leaders.

Realizing the cost of prejudice can provide a powerful motivation for change. Timothy R. Zaal, who said he became a full-fledged “Aryan warrior” as a teenager, found the motivation to overcome his hatred of nonwhites after becoming a father.

Mr. Zaal, 42, who once served a year in a county jail for assaulting an Iranian couple, now shares his tale of redemption as a speaker for the Simon Wiesenthal Center here. He said personal experiences helped shape his bigotry: a brother was shot by a black stranger, and his parents moved the family out of his childhood neighborhood in Los Angeles when they felt outnumbered by Latino newcomers.

But then his son was born. “I spent sleepless nights thinking, ‘What am I doing to my child?’ ” he said. “ ‘Is it detrimental to his health and happiness?’ ”

The answer came one day at a grocery store, he said, when his son, then 2, blurted a racist epithet when he spotted a black customer and “people looked at me and saw the demon poisoning this child’s mind.”

Mr. Zaal, who at the time worked as an industrial electrician, said he first moved to Arkansas to sever ties with his supremacist group. He then took advantage of business trips to Miami, New Orleans and other cities to get to know people of other ethnic groups and soon realized his perceptions had been symptoms of fear and resentment. One person he befriended, a Jewish woman, is now his wife.

Mr. Zaal offers his experience as evidence that some people can succeed, but says there is no magic bullet. “I didn’t become a racist in one day,” he said, “and I didn’t get out of it in one day.”

The founder of the Wiesenthal Center, Rabbi Marvin Hier, said he measures sincerity by actions, like Mr. Zaal’s willingness to make amends. But Rabbi Hier, who met with Marlon Brando when the actor faced criticism after making anti-Jewish remarks in a television interview, said he is generally skeptical of apologies by celebrities.

“How do you know when an actor is not acting?” he asked. “It has to be taken to heart.”

The gay-rights groups that have met with Mr. Washington say they do take him at his word. And, perhaps surprisingly, they argued that an anti-gay pejorative may not be a reliable indicator of homophobia.

“Huge numbers of people are using this language repeatedly in schools,” said Kevin Jennings, executive director of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, who has met with the actor along with Neil Giuliano, president of the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. “They think it really doesn’t hurt anyone. Most people using this language are using it unthinkingly.”

Mr. Jennings said Mr. Washington was receptive to the idea of doing public-service announcements and speaking at schools. It would not be unprecedented. Bob Hope did an announcement after uttering an anti-gay slur on “The Tonight Show” in 1988, Mr. Giuliano said. “Prejudice hurts, kills,” Mr. Hope intoned in the ad. “Please don’t be a part of it.”

And that may be the upside of rehab of the mouth.

“This is a great opportunity to tell people that this language is not acceptable,” Mr. Jennings said.

Mike, This is the kind of stuff that's hurting you. This why I asked you to step back and perhaps let George stand in front since you two seemed to be in unison. That was before I realized why George needed you. You're hurting yourself.

BTW George I see that you have added ads to the site. You are a good businessman.

Ahmed R.,

What "kind of stuff"? Holding Mr. Nathan up to the light for all to see?

"Hurting" me? How?

By not being a friend or partner of Donald Nathan's?

Or challenging your apparent reluctance to investigate and judge Donald Nathan or your unwillingness to hold him accountable for his deliberate character assassinations?

How did you ever misperceive that George Lutfallah and I were in "unison"? "Unison" in what? I suspect you've been misinformed by others who wish to "kill" two birds with one stoner-conspiracy-theory.

Why does George Lutfallah "need me"? For what?

I personally don't "need" George Lutfallah, nor does any of my organizing. Chicago cabdrivers do collectively benefit from his newspaper and its reporting and editorials.

Haven't ads been on this site for a long time? What is this dogmatic fascination with advertising?

-Mike Foulks

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Mike, This is the kind of stuff that's hurting you. This why I asked you to step back and perhaps let George stand in front since you two seemed to be in unison. That was before I realized why George needed you. You're hurting yourself.

BTW George I see that you have added ads to the site. You are a good businessman.

George didn't give your election one bit of coverage that I could see. Perhaps I missed it. It only took my five minutes to check from cover to cover. I did say that George has used you in the past to fill his pages with ink. He seems to have stopped. Could be from calling it to his attention or not. Maybe you teed him off like you have done to many others.

The Chicago Dispatcher logo at the top of this page is brand new. I guess some are more observant than others. I was complimenting him on this. You were in too much of a hurry to notice this since you were bombarding this site with old email from last November. My guess is that Nathan and the others were still willing to work with you then. Big deal. I don't think you proved anything other than you had more guys interested in the CCO then than now. You're driving people away Mike. Deny it all you want. It is easy for all to see. Having guys that would be at the restaurant even if there was no election voting means nothing to me. It seem that if you had 48 votes, Peter Enger might have been the only "outsider" at the restaurant that day/night.

While others grow, you still haven't posted the results of the election or verified if a guy named Tahir is the vice president or not. You promised election results some time ago. Where are they? Again, this is how I see it, not trying to "cut you up" but telling it from my point of view. I'm not backing Nathan, Enger or the lawsuit guys. I'm telling how the CCO election looks to me. Not very well supported. Just like the "March" that took place a few months back. George says the CCO is great and has helped many. Where are these people when you demonstrate?

Ahmed R.,

I sent no "press release" to the Chicago Dispatcher about the results of the CCO election. It was listed in the "Upcoming Events" in the previous issue.

I don't think I've "teed off" George Lutfallah. I am not concerned with CCO or myself not being in the most recent issue of the Chicago Dispatcher. I think that has to do with the relevant facts, not your "calling attention" to anything.

I noticed that new Dispatcher logo at the top of the page. I guess you're too interested in trying to ridicule me that you won't admit that the Dispatcher logo isn't new advertising. Whatever.

I assert that I am one of the most observant Chicago cabdrivers.

Mr. Nathan was "still willing to work with me"? What kind of crap are you ingesting, Ahmed R.? I rejected Mr. Nathan, for good reason. Would you like to see the e-mails?

Maybe in time you'll come to understand why Mr. Nathan, among others, so fervently "attacks" me.

Who exactly have I "driven away", Ahmed R.?

I absolutely agree with you, having regular restaurant patrons means a lot less than those who came who aren't.

The problem is, you don't believe that anyone came who wasn't a regular restaurant patron.

And, I now have conatct information from those regular restaurant patrons who SHOWED AN INTEREST, however untested.

I didn't "beg" anyone to vote for anything.

Peter Enger was the only one pretending to be a "monitor" or "reporter" on anything else at Zaiqa that day.

What "others" have "grown"? How, exactly?

All of the Cabdriver-Representatives who have been written in have yet to be contacted. There has been no selection of Vice President as of yet. There were approximately 48 BALLOTS; there were more "votes" than that. I won, accepted the Presidency again, and twice as many names were written in for Cabdriver-Representatives.

Did you participate, Ahmed R.? It doesn't appear so. So, why do you care now?

You are criticizing the "lack of support" for the CCO election and you yourself didn't support it with your participation? How convenient.

Some of the people I have helped didn't march and didn't vote in either CCO election. Others have. So what?

Ahmed R., where's YOUR SUPPORT for you and your ideas? Only in your head? Or recorded in reality?

-Mike Foulks

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George didn't give your election one bit of coverage that I could see. Perhaps I missed it. It only took my five minutes to check from cover to cover. I did say that George has used you in the past to fill his pages with ink. He seems to have stopped. Could be from calling it to his attention or not. Maybe you teed him off like you have done to many others.

The Chicago Dispatcher logo at the top of this page is brand new. I guess some are more observant than others. I was complimenting him on this. You were in too much of a hurry to notice this since you were bombarding this site with old email from last November. My guess is that Nathan and the others were still willing to work with you then. Big deal. I don't think you proved anything other than you had more guys interested in the CCO then than now. You're driving people away Mike. Deny it all you want. It is easy for all to see. Having guys that would be at the restaurant even if there was no election voting means nothing to me. It seem that if you had 48 votes, Peter Enger might have been the only "outsider" at the restaurant that day/night.

While others grow, you still haven't posted the results of the election or verified if a guy named Tahir is the vice president or not. You promised election results some time ago. Where are they? Again, this is how I see it, not trying to "cut you up" but telling it from my point of view. I'm not backing Nathan, Enger or the lawsuit guys. I'm telling how the CCO election looks to me. Not very well supported. Just like the "March" that took place a few months back. George says the CCO is great and has helped many. Where are these people when you demonstrate?

denial and begging to be understood
begging for attention
he begged george to list his begelection
he driving away other beggars
her begs in restaurants for garbage
it is hard to find good dheep dip around here
48 beggars makes a football team
The President of Beggars
the march of beggars

Mike, the UTCC seems to have grown overnight. I am going to stay away from the Foulks Nathan squabble. Nathan is a guy that has helped cabdrivers for years. He has collected for guys that otherwise would have gotten nothing. If you and George don't like him or agree with him, so be it. As I have mentioned before, I do agree with the lawsuit. However, if dropping the suit would get us the necessary raise in the rate of fare we have coming, I would agree with this also. Get the idea? I agree with what works. Doing nothing but screaming at someone here doesn't really help my wallet.

The dispatcher ad is to make the name more recognizable when you see it in the street. I stand by my comment of good advertising. I also stand by the one that said you were more interested in attacking Nathan and didn't notice the good work George is doing.

Ahmed R.,

What are the names of the cabdrivers that Donald Nathan claims to have "collected for that otherwise would have gotten nothing"? Names and phone numbers. Of how about just five of them?

Look at Donald Nathan's "claims" of how I would be committing a felony to help Mr. Duako, blah, blah, blah and see him backpedal from his "claims".

If he's counting all the simple injury/workmen's comp cases he handled which any other schmuck lawyer could have also handled and you're using that as his "dedication to cabdrivers", you're Donald Nathan's fool, all right.

I say his cut motivated him more than anything.

You question closely the City of Chicago, but you don't question a scheming personal-injury lawyer who wants to create a "union" to collect fees from cabdrivers?

This isn't a question of "disagreeing" with Mr. Nathan...this is proving his devious, deceptive characater...with HIS OWN WORDS!

It doesn't make one shred of difference if you "agree" or "disagree" with "the lawsuit". It will be decided on its merits by Judge Epstein and/or a Jury of some sort if the City doesn't come to an agreement with the plaintiffs.

Don't you see Donald Nathan setting up a scapegoat of "Mike Foulks wished the lawsuit to fail..so it failed...blame him"?

Especially in light of the fact that I have been on record from the word go of supporting the lawsuit?

The lawsuit is likely to go nowhere, Ahmed R..

Get the idea? You're spreading the "good word, work, and intention" of a man who is TAKING YOU NOWHERE!

But he is getting a step closer to creating HIS UNION of cabdrivers in the "Chicago Metro" area.

I'm not screaming at you, Ahmed R.. But Wolf Weiss, the lead plaintiff of the lawsuit is using "Brain Damage", "Big Bad Mouth", "Big Fat Mouth", etc. to SCREAM at me so you'll miss Mr. Nathan and Mr. Tang's "little trick" regarding Mr. Lutfallah.


Wolf Weiss, who didn't attend the infamous meeting, actually believes that the "little trick" refers to George Lutfallah "bursting in to break up an organizing meeting"...but the facts of ALL of the e-mails, not any "out of context", prove otherwise.

Show all of your e-mails the 48 hours before and after that infamous meeting, Yi Tang and Donald Nathan!!!

Ahmed R.. don't get so defensive about the "good advertising"...you said "I now see there are ads on this site...you're a good businessman, George" or words to that effect.

Prateek Sampat and Peter Enger have brought up and grossly overstated the influence that advertisers have on George Lutfallah...I simply thought you were falling into their trap of propaganda...if you weren't, good.

Don't let Donald Nathan fool you...the only thing he wants support for the "lawsuit" for is so his (false) reputation for "fighting for cabdrivers" grows among anyone you spread that unexamined notion to, so that Yi Tang and Donald Nathan will eventually get THEIR UNION and have a vote to force cabdrivers to pay into a Health Insurance Plan or "pension" of some sort, I'm sure.

If I'm wrong, it isn't because I haven't been asking the questions...

...it's because Yi Tang and Donald Nathan haven't been giving the answers!!!!!

Wolf Weiss is just a patsy right now. With the TWO Project, he is a cuckold.

Could you describe the "growth" of the UTCC, Ahmed R.?

-Mike Foulks

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Mike, the UTCC seems to have grown overnight. I am going to stay away from the Foulks Nathan squabble. Nathan is a guy that has helped cabdrivers for years. He has collected for guys that otherwise would have gotten nothing. If you and George don't like him or agree with him, so be it. As I have mentioned before, I do agree with the lawsuit. However, if dropping the suit would get us the necessary raise in the rate of fare we have coming, I would agree with this also. Get the idea? I agree with what works. Doing nothing but screaming at someone here doesn't really help my wallet.

The dispatcher ad is to make the name more recognizable when you see it in the street. I stand by my comment of good advertising. I also stand by the one that said you were more interested in attacking Nathan and didn't notice the good work George is doing.

Mikey, boy --- Sounds like some professional jeolousy there, fella. If UTCC has grown like a mushroom in the night while your CCO has withered to a lunctime coffee klaltch, face the music, and come to the next Fare Increase Subcommittee meeting. You'll find the Steering Committee members there and several general members as well. It's worth your time.

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Ahmed R.,

What are the names of the cabdrivers that Donald Nathan claims to have "collected for that otherwise would have gotten nothing"? Names and phone numbers. Of how about just five of them?

Look at Donald Nathan's "claims" of how I would be committing a felony to help Mr. Duako, blah, blah, blah and see him backpedal from his "claims".

If he's counting all the simple injury/workmen's comp cases he handled which any other schmuck lawyer could have also handled and you're using that as his "dedication to cabdrivers", you're Donald Nathan's fool, all right.

I say his cut motivated him more than anything.

You question closely the City of Chicago, but you don't question a scheming personal-injury lawyer who wants to create a "union" to collect fees from cabdrivers?

This isn't a question of "disagreeing" with Mr. Nathan...this is proving his devious, deceptive characater...with HIS OWN WORDS!

It doesn't make one shred of difference if you "agree" or "disagree" with "the lawsuit". It will be decided on its merits by Judge Epstein and/or a Jury of some sort if the City doesn't come to an agreement with the plaintiffs.

Don't you see Donald Nathan setting up a scapegoat of "Mike Foulks wished the lawsuit to fail..so it failed...blame him"?

Especially in light of the fact that I have been on record from the word go of supporting the lawsuit?

The lawsuit is likely to go nowhere, Ahmed R..

Get the idea? You're spreading the "good word, work, and intention" of a man who is TAKING YOU NOWHERE!

But he is getting a step closer to creating HIS UNION of cabdrivers in the "Chicago Metro" area.

I'm not screaming at you, Ahmed R.. But Wolf Weiss, the lead plaintiff of the lawsuit is using "Brain Damage", "Big Bad Mouth", "Big Fat Mouth", etc. to SCREAM at me so you'll miss Mr. Nathan and Mr. Tang's "little trick" regarding Mr. Lutfallah.


Wolf Weiss, who didn't attend the infamous meeting, actually believes that the "little trick" refers to George Lutfallah "bursting in to break up an organizing meeting"...but the facts of ALL of the e-mails, not any "out of context", prove otherwise.

Show all of your e-mails the 48 hours before and after that infamous meeting, Yi Tang and Donald Nathan!!!

Ahmed R.. don't get so defensive about the "good advertising"...you said "I now see there are ads on this site...you're a good businessman, George" or words to that effect.

Prateek Sampat and Peter Enger have brought up and grossly overstated the influence that advertisers have on George Lutfallah...I simply thought you were falling into their trap of propaganda...if you weren't, good.

Don't let Donald Nathan fool you...the only thing he wants support for the "lawsuit" for is so his (false) reputation for "fighting for cabdrivers" grows among anyone you spread that unexamined notion to, so that Yi Tang and Donald Nathan will eventually get THEIR UNION and have a vote to force cabdrivers to pay into a Health Insurance Plan or "pension" of some sort, I'm sure.

If I'm wrong, it isn't because I haven't been asking the questions...

...it's because Yi Tang and Donald Nathan haven't been giving the answers!!!!!

Wolf Weiss is just a patsy right now. With the TWO Project, he is a cuckold.

Could you describe the "growth" of the UTCC, Ahmed R.?

-Mike Foulks

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Mike, the UTCC seems to have grown overnight. I am going to stay away from the Foulks Nathan squabble. Nathan is a guy that has helped cabdrivers for years. He has collected for guys that otherwise would have gotten nothing. If you and George don't like him or agree with him, so be it. As I have mentioned before, I do agree with the lawsuit. However, if dropping the suit would get us the necessary raise in the rate of fare we have coming, I would agree with this also. Get the idea? I agree with what works. Doing nothing but screaming at someone here doesn't really help my wallet.

The dispatcher ad is to make the name more recognizable when you see it in the street. I stand by my comment of good advertising. I also stand by the one that said you were more interested in attacking Nathan and didn't notice the good work George is doing.

"Big Fat Mouth",

I've already asked to attend anything the UTCC does regarding a fare increase, even before they changed their name from "CTO" or "CTDO" to "UTCC".

"UTCC has grown like a mushroom"? How? Like a tiny tit at the base of a tree? Or underground where only pigs and rats like Yi Tang and Donald Nathan can smell it?

Please be more specific about how you think that "UTCC" has "grown".

I've already asked Peter Enger publicly here on CabMarket.com to invite me to the next "Fare Increase Subcommittee Meeting".

He hasn't responded yet. I haven't checked my e-mail yet, but I doubt a reply, public or private, is forthcoming.

How many "general members" does the UTCC really have? How did they become "general members"?

My time is extremely valuable. I'm am willing to sacrifice some of it in the interest of my fellow cabdrivers.

-Mike Foulks

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Mikey, boy --- Sounds like some professional jeolousy there, fella. If UTCC has grown like a mushroom in the night while your CCO has withered to a lunctime coffee klaltch, face the music, and come to the next Fare Increase Subcommittee meeting. You'll find the Steering Committee members there and several general members as well. It's worth your time.

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Ahmed R.,

What are the names of the cabdrivers that Donald Nathan claims to have "collected for that otherwise would have gotten nothing"? Names and phone numbers. Of how about just five of them?

Look at Donald Nathan's "claims" of how I would be committing a felony to help Mr. Duako, blah, blah, blah and see him backpedal from his "claims".

If he's counting all the simple injury/workmen's comp cases he handled which any other schmuck lawyer could have also handled and you're using that as his "dedication to cabdrivers", you're Donald Nathan's fool, all right.

I say his cut motivated him more than anything.

You question closely the City of Chicago, but you don't question a scheming personal-injury lawyer who wants to create a "union" to collect fees from cabdrivers?

This isn't a question of "disagreeing" with Mr. Nathan...this is proving his devious, deceptive characater...with HIS OWN WORDS!

It doesn't make one shred of difference if you "agree" or "disagree" with "the lawsuit". It will be decided on its merits by Judge Epstein and/or a Jury of some sort if the City doesn't come to an agreement with the plaintiffs.

Don't you see Donald Nathan setting up a scapegoat of "Mike Foulks wished the lawsuit to fail..so it failed...blame him"?

Especially in light of the fact that I have been on record from the word go of supporting the lawsuit?

The lawsuit is likely to go nowhere, Ahmed R..

Get the idea? You're spreading the "good word, work, and intention" of a man who is TAKING YOU NOWHERE!

But he is getting a step closer to creating HIS UNION of cabdrivers in the "Chicago Metro" area.

I'm not screaming at you, Ahmed R.. But Wolf Weiss, the lead plaintiff of the lawsuit is using "Brain Damage", "Big Bad Mouth", "Big Fat Mouth", etc. to SCREAM at me so you'll miss Mr. Nathan and Mr. Tang's "little trick" regarding Mr. Lutfallah.


Wolf Weiss, who didn't attend the infamous meeting, actually believes that the "little trick" refers to George Lutfallah "bursting in to break up an organizing meeting"...but the facts of ALL of the e-mails, not any "out of context", prove otherwise.

Show all of your e-mails the 48 hours before and after that infamous meeting, Yi Tang and Donald Nathan!!!

Ahmed R.. don't get so defensive about the "good advertising"...you said "I now see there are ads on this site...you're a good businessman, George" or words to that effect.

Prateek Sampat and Peter Enger have brought up and grossly overstated the influence that advertisers have on George Lutfallah...I simply thought you were falling into their trap of propaganda...if you weren't, good.

Don't let Donald Nathan fool you...the only thing he wants support for the "lawsuit" for is so his (false) reputation for "fighting for cabdrivers" grows among anyone you spread that unexamined notion to, so that Yi Tang and Donald Nathan will eventually get THEIR UNION and have a vote to force cabdrivers to pay into a Health Insurance Plan or "pension" of some sort, I'm sure.

If I'm wrong, it isn't because I haven't been asking the questions...

...it's because Yi Tang and Donald Nathan haven't been giving the answers!!!!!

Wolf Weiss is just a patsy right now. With the TWO Project, he is a cuckold.

Could you describe the "growth" of the UTCC, Ahmed R.?

-Mike Foulks

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Mike, the UTCC seems to have grown overnight. I am going to stay away from the Foulks Nathan squabble. Nathan is a guy that has helped cabdrivers for years. He has collected for guys that otherwise would have gotten nothing. If you and George don't like him or agree with him, so be it. As I have mentioned before, I do agree with the lawsuit. However, if dropping the suit would get us the necessary raise in the rate of fare we have coming, I would agree with this also. Get the idea? I agree with what works. Doing nothing but screaming at someone here doesn't really help my wallet.

The dispatcher ad is to make the name more recognizable when you see it in the street. I stand by my comment of good advertising. I also stand by the one that said you were more interested in attacking Nathan and didn't notice the good work George is doing.

Against my own restriction, but I must say:

You weren't there when the incident that generated the "little trick" comment.

You still got it all wrong. Ask Mr. L for the details. I trust he can and will clear things up for you -- in private, where it belongs now.

I also trust he will tell you the truth.

People have been really nailing you Mr. Foulks, so I don't mean this as criticism or condemnation.

That bit of history, like your flyer quest and other useless undertakings to stir up trouble and division are the signs of one who has nothing constructive to do.

Idle hands are the play things of the devil, as the old saying goes.

By the way, are you ever going to submit your evidence and eye witness testimony, sworn affidavits that prove manipulation by anyone in this little circle of friendly and not so friendly fire?

Just kidding, I know such evidence doesn't exist and I don't believe even you would risk perjury charges, even though you acted very indiscreetly when you released those private emails.

Such a thing raises serious concerns and questions about trustworthiness.

Not even you can be accused of manipulation though. Well, you're not very good at it if that's what you have been trying to do.

Why don't do something constructive with your 100. Sue the city too.

The more the merrier! Use the "Mag 7" pleadings as a model -- for once you won't be ripping off other people's work ad you can use to benefit yourself and others.

Go get 'em tiger, let's see what you really got.

If I had my way, we'd be camping in Grant Park, faces painted in "peace paint" facing off the cops with their riot gear and tear gas, screaming "Sig Heil Sig Hiel" ... "The whole world is watching!"

But that was another "Chicago Seven" and a very different world.

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Ahmed R.,

What are the names of the cabdrivers that Donald Nathan claims to have "collected for that otherwise would have gotten nothing"? Names and phone numbers. Of how about just five of them?

Look at Donald Nathan's "claims" of how I would be committing a felony to help Mr. Duako, blah, blah, blah and see him backpedal from his "claims".

If he's counting all the simple injury/workmen's comp cases he handled which any other schmuck lawyer could have also handled and you're using that as his "dedication to cabdrivers", you're Donald Nathan's fool, all right.

I say his cut motivated him more than anything.

You question closely the City of Chicago, but you don't question a scheming personal-injury lawyer who wants to create a "union" to collect fees from cabdrivers?

This isn't a question of "disagreeing" with Mr. Nathan...this is proving his devious, deceptive characater...with HIS OWN WORDS!

It doesn't make one shred of difference if you "agree" or "disagree" with "the lawsuit". It will be decided on its merits by Judge Epstein and/or a Jury of some sort if the City doesn't come to an agreement with the plaintiffs.

Don't you see Donald Nathan setting up a scapegoat of "Mike Foulks wished the lawsuit to fail..so it failed...blame him"?

Especially in light of the fact that I have been on record from the word go of supporting the lawsuit?

The lawsuit is likely to go nowhere, Ahmed R..

Get the idea? You're spreading the "good word, work, and intention" of a man who is TAKING YOU NOWHERE!

But he is getting a step closer to creating HIS UNION of cabdrivers in the "Chicago Metro" area.

I'm not screaming at you, Ahmed R.. But Wolf Weiss, the lead plaintiff of the lawsuit is using "Brain Damage", "Big Bad Mouth", "Big Fat Mouth", etc. to SCREAM at me so you'll miss Mr. Nathan and Mr. Tang's "little trick" regarding Mr. Lutfallah.


Wolf Weiss, who didn't attend the infamous meeting, actually believes that the "little trick" refers to George Lutfallah "bursting in to break up an organizing meeting"...but the facts of ALL of the e-mails, not any "out of context", prove otherwise.

Show all of your e-mails the 48 hours before and after that infamous meeting, Yi Tang and Donald Nathan!!!

Ahmed R.. don't get so defensive about the "good advertising"...you said "I now see there are ads on this site...you're a good businessman, George" or words to that effect.

Prateek Sampat and Peter Enger have brought up and grossly overstated the influence that advertisers have on George Lutfallah...I simply thought you were falling into their trap of propaganda...if you weren't, good.

Don't let Donald Nathan fool you...the only thing he wants support for the "lawsuit" for is so his (false) reputation for "fighting for cabdrivers" grows among anyone you spread that unexamined notion to, so that Yi Tang and Donald Nathan will eventually get THEIR UNION and have a vote to force cabdrivers to pay into a Health Insurance Plan or "pension" of some sort, I'm sure.

If I'm wrong, it isn't because I haven't been asking the questions...

...it's because Yi Tang and Donald Nathan haven't been giving the answers!!!!!

Wolf Weiss is just a patsy right now. With the TWO Project, he is a cuckold.

Could you describe the "growth" of the UTCC, Ahmed R.?

-Mike Foulks

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Replying to:

Mike, the UTCC seems to have grown overnight. I am going to stay away from the Foulks Nathan squabble. Nathan is a guy that has helped cabdrivers for years. He has collected for guys that otherwise would have gotten nothing. If you and George don't like him or agree with him, so be it. As I have mentioned before, I do agree with the lawsuit. However, if dropping the suit would get us the necessary raise in the rate of fare we have coming, I would agree with this also. Get the idea? I agree with what works. Doing nothing but screaming at someone here doesn't really help my wallet.

The dispatcher ad is to make the name more recognizable when you see it in the street. I stand by my comment of good advertising. I also stand by the one that said you were more interested in attacking Nathan and didn't notice the good work George is doing.

The request for an injunction should be amended again to exclude Father of Fools Foulks from getting a meter increase. Eveybody else, ok, not Mike.

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Against my own restriction, but I must say:

You weren't there when the incident that generated the "little trick" comment.

You still got it all wrong. Ask Mr. L for the details. I trust he can and will clear things up for you -- in private, where it belongs now.

I also trust he will tell you the truth.

People have been really nailing you Mr. Foulks, so I don't mean this as criticism or condemnation.

That bit of history, like your flyer quest and other useless undertakings to stir up trouble and division are the signs of one who has nothing constructive to do.

Idle hands are the play things of the devil, as the old saying goes.

By the way, are you ever going to submit your evidence and eye witness testimony, sworn affidavits that prove manipulation by anyone in this little circle of friendly and not so friendly fire?

Just kidding, I know such evidence doesn't exist and I don't believe even you would risk perjury charges, even though you acted very indiscreetly when you released those private emails.

Such a thing raises serious concerns and questions about trustworthiness.

Not even you can be accused of manipulation though. Well, you're not very good at it if that's what you have been trying to do.

Why don't do something constructive with your 100. Sue the city too.

The more the merrier! Use the "Mag 7" pleadings as a model -- for once you won't be ripping off other people's work ad you can use to benefit yourself and others.

Go get 'em tiger, let's see what you really got.

If I had my way, we'd be camping in Grant Park, faces painted in "peace paint" facing off the cops with their riot gear and tear gas, screaming "Sig Heil Sig Hiel" ... "The whole world is watching!"

But that was another "Chicago Seven" and a very different world.

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Ahmed R.,

What are the names of the cabdrivers that Donald Nathan claims to have "collected for that otherwise would have gotten nothing"? Names and phone numbers. Of how about just five of them?

Look at Donald Nathan's "claims" of how I would be committing a felony to help Mr. Duako, blah, blah, blah and see him backpedal from his "claims".

If he's counting all the simple injury/workmen's comp cases he handled which any other schmuck lawyer could have also handled and you're using that as his "dedication to cabdrivers", you're Donald Nathan's fool, all right.

I say his cut motivated him more than anything.

You question closely the City of Chicago, but you don't question a scheming personal-injury lawyer who wants to create a "union" to collect fees from cabdrivers?

This isn't a question of "disagreeing" with Mr. Nathan...this is proving his devious, deceptive characater...with HIS OWN WORDS!

It doesn't make one shred of difference if you "agree" or "disagree" with "the lawsuit". It will be decided on its merits by Judge Epstein and/or a Jury of some sort if the City doesn't come to an agreement with the plaintiffs.

Don't you see Donald Nathan setting up a scapegoat of "Mike Foulks wished the lawsuit to fail..so it failed...blame him"?

Especially in light of the fact that I have been on record from the word go of supporting the lawsuit?

The lawsuit is likely to go nowhere, Ahmed R..

Get the idea? You're spreading the "good word, work, and intention" of a man who is TAKING YOU NOWHERE!

But he is getting a step closer to creating HIS UNION of cabdrivers in the "Chicago Metro" area.

I'm not screaming at you, Ahmed R.. But Wolf Weiss, the lead plaintiff of the lawsuit is using "Brain Damage", "Big Bad Mouth", "Big Fat Mouth", etc. to SCREAM at me so you'll miss Mr. Nathan and Mr. Tang's "little trick" regarding Mr. Lutfallah.


Wolf Weiss, who didn't attend the infamous meeting, actually believes that the "little trick" refers to George Lutfallah "bursting in to break up an organizing meeting"...but the facts of ALL of the e-mails, not any "out of context", prove otherwise.

Show all of your e-mails the 48 hours before and after that infamous meeting, Yi Tang and Donald Nathan!!!

Ahmed R.. don't get so defensive about the "good advertising"...you said "I now see there are ads on this site...you're a good businessman, George" or words to that effect.

Prateek Sampat and Peter Enger have brought up and grossly overstated the influence that advertisers have on George Lutfallah...I simply thought you were falling into their trap of propaganda...if you weren't, good.

Don't let Donald Nathan fool you...the only thing he wants support for the "lawsuit" for is so his (false) reputation for "fighting for cabdrivers" grows among anyone you spread that unexamined notion to, so that Yi Tang and Donald Nathan will eventually get THEIR UNION and have a vote to force cabdrivers to pay into a Health Insurance Plan or "pension" of some sort, I'm sure.

If I'm wrong, it isn't because I haven't been asking the questions...

...it's because Yi Tang and Donald Nathan haven't been giving the answers!!!!!

Wolf Weiss is just a patsy right now. With the TWO Project, he is a cuckold.

Could you describe the "growth" of the UTCC, Ahmed R.?

-Mike Foulks

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Replying to:

Mike, the UTCC seems to have grown overnight. I am going to stay away from the Foulks Nathan squabble. Nathan is a guy that has helped cabdrivers for years. He has collected for guys that otherwise would have gotten nothing. If you and George don't like him or agree with him, so be it. As I have mentioned before, I do agree with the lawsuit. However, if dropping the suit would get us the necessary raise in the rate of fare we have coming, I would agree with this also. Get the idea? I agree with what works. Doing nothing but screaming at someone here doesn't really help my wallet.

The dispatcher ad is to make the name more recognizable when you see it in the street. I stand by my comment of good advertising. I also stand by the one that said you were more interested in attacking Nathan and didn't notice the good work George is doing.

Wolf-gonzo:

What incident exactly are you referring to? The infamous meeting at Kabob Corner?

I was there, dumb****. Why weren't you, by the way?

The only one who has been "nailing me", Wolf-puck, is you and your alter-egos, "Brain Damaged" as they (you) may be with their (your) "Big Bad Fat Mouths".

Sue the City? For what, exactly, Wolf? Who's "stopping" you, now?

Sue, Wolf, sue.

Again, you tell others to do what you aren't willing to do yourself. All hail the Great, Wise, White-Wolf of Chicago cabdrivers!

May the CPTDA rise again!

Yi Tang is the one who can't be trusted with Donald Nathan's devious plans outlined in those e-mails.

"Camping out in Grant Park with painted feces"???

Do you and Peter Enger want to have a gay marriage ceremony, too? Your wife can be your bridesmaid. You both suffer from "aging hippie syndrome". You're perfect for each other. You can ride each others "donkeys".

At least you recognize you have a problem. Peter Enger's seem to be complicated by those pesky "Twelve Steps" of sobriety he always falls down.

Don't break a hip, Mr. Enger, Donald Nathan hasn't "sued" for your "health insurance" or "pension" yet!!!

-Mike Foulks

Wolf-gonzo:

What incident exactly are you referring to? The infamous meeting at Kabob Corner?

I was there, dumb****. Why weren't you, by the way?

The only one who has been "nailing me", Wolf-puck, is you and your alter-egos, "Brain Damaged" as they (you) may be with their (your) "Big Bad Fat Mouths".

Sue the City? For what, exactly, Wolf? Who's "stopping" you, now?

Sue, Wolf, sue.

Again, you tell others to do what you aren't willing to do yourself. All hail the Great, Wise, White-Wolf of Chicago cabdrivers!

May the CPTDA rise again!

Yi Tang is the one who can't be trusted with Donald Nathan's devious plans outlined in those e-mails.

"Camping out in Grant Park with painted faces"???

Do you and Peter Enger want to have a gay marriage ceremony, too? Your wife can be your bridesmaid. You both suffer from "aging hippie syndrome". You're perfect for each other. You can ride each others "donkeys".

At least you recognize you have a problem. Peter Enger's seem to be complicated by those pesky "Twelve Steps" of sobriety he always falls down.

Don't break a hip, Mr. Enger, Donald Nathan hasn't "sued" for your "health insurance" or "pension" yet!!!

-Mike Foulks

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Against my own restriction, but I must say:

You weren't there when the incident that generated the "little trick" comment.

You still got it all wrong. Ask Mr. L for the details. I trust he can and will clear things up for you -- in private, where it belongs now.

I also trust he will tell you the truth.

People have been really nailing you Mr. Foulks, so I don't mean this as criticism or condemnation.

That bit of history, like your flyer quest and other useless undertakings to stir up trouble and division are the signs of one who has nothing constructive to do.

Idle hands are the play things of the devil, as the old saying goes.

By the way, are you ever going to submit your evidence and eye witness testimony, sworn affidavits that prove manipulation by anyone in this little circle of friendly and not so friendly fire?

Just kidding, I know such evidence doesn't exist and I don't believe even you would risk perjury charges, even though you acted very indiscreetly when you released those private emails.

Such a thing raises serious concerns and questions about trustworthiness.

Not even you can be accused of manipulation though. Well, you're not very good at it if that's what you have been trying to do.

Why don't do something constructive with your 100. Sue the city too.

The more the merrier! Use the "Mag 7" pleadings as a model -- for once you won't be ripping off other people's work ad you can use to benefit yourself and others.

Go get 'em tiger, let's see what you really got.

If I had my way, we'd be camping in Grant Park, faces painted in "peace paint" facing off the cops with their riot gear and tear gas, screaming "Sig Heil Sig Hiel" ... "The whole world is watching!"

But that was another "Chicago Seven" and a very different world.

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Ahmed R.,

What are the names of the cabdrivers that Donald Nathan claims to have "collected for that otherwise would have gotten nothing"? Names and phone numbers. Of how about just five of them?

Look at Donald Nathan's "claims" of how I would be committing a felony to help Mr. Duako, blah, blah, blah and see him backpedal from his "claims".

If he's counting all the simple injury/workmen's comp cases he handled which any other schmuck lawyer could have also handled and you're using that as his "dedication to cabdrivers", you're Donald Nathan's fool, all right.

I say his cut motivated him more than anything.

You question closely the City of Chicago, but you don't question a scheming personal-injury lawyer who wants to create a "union" to collect fees from cabdrivers?

This isn't a question of "disagreeing" with Mr. Nathan...this is proving his devious, deceptive characater...with HIS OWN WORDS!

It doesn't make one shred of difference if you "agree" or "disagree" with "the lawsuit". It will be decided on its merits by Judge Epstein and/or a Jury of some sort if the City doesn't come to an agreement with the plaintiffs.

Don't you see Donald Nathan setting up a scapegoat of "Mike Foulks wished the lawsuit to fail..so it failed...blame him"?

Especially in light of the fact that I have been on record from the word go of supporting the lawsuit?

The lawsuit is likely to go nowhere, Ahmed R..

Get the idea? You're spreading the "good word, work, and intention" of a man who is TAKING YOU NOWHERE!

But he is getting a step closer to creating HIS UNION of cabdrivers in the "Chicago Metro" area.

I'm not screaming at you, Ahmed R.. But Wolf Weiss, the lead plaintiff of the lawsuit is using "Brain Damage", "Big Bad Mouth", "Big Fat Mouth", etc. to SCREAM at me so you'll miss Mr. Nathan and Mr. Tang's "little trick" regarding Mr. Lutfallah.


Wolf Weiss, who didn't attend the infamous meeting, actually believes that the "little trick" refers to George Lutfallah "bursting in to break up an organizing meeting"...but the facts of ALL of the e-mails, not any "out of context", prove otherwise.

Show all of your e-mails the 48 hours before and after that infamous meeting, Yi Tang and Donald Nathan!!!

Ahmed R.. don't get so defensive about the "good advertising"...you said "I now see there are ads on this site...you're a good businessman, George" or words to that effect.

Prateek Sampat and Peter Enger have brought up and grossly overstated the influence that advertisers have on George Lutfallah...I simply thought you were falling into their trap of propaganda...if you weren't, good.

Don't let Donald Nathan fool you...the only thing he wants support for the "lawsuit" for is so his (false) reputation for "fighting for cabdrivers" grows among anyone you spread that unexamined notion to, so that Yi Tang and Donald Nathan will eventually get THEIR UNION and have a vote to force cabdrivers to pay into a Health Insurance Plan or "pension" of some sort, I'm sure.

If I'm wrong, it isn't because I haven't been asking the questions...

...it's because Yi Tang and Donald Nathan haven't been giving the answers!!!!!

Wolf Weiss is just a patsy right now. With the TWO Project, he is a cuckold.

Could you describe the "growth" of the UTCC, Ahmed R.?

-Mike Foulks

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Mike, the UTCC seems to have grown overnight. I am going to stay away from the Foulks Nathan squabble. Nathan is a guy that has helped cabdrivers for years. He has collected for guys that otherwise would have gotten nothing. If you and George don't like him or agree with him, so be it. As I have mentioned before, I do agree with the lawsuit. However, if dropping the suit would get us the necessary raise in the rate of fare we have coming, I would agree with this also. Get the idea? I agree with what works. Doing nothing but screaming at someone here doesn't really help my wallet.

The dispatcher ad is to make the name more recognizable when you see it in the street. I stand by my comment of good advertising. I also stand by the one that said you were more interested in attacking Nathan and didn't notice the good work George is doing.