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Re: Re: Re: Foulks says nothing and does nothing

Foulks is working for the City whether he thinks so or not.

Story of Two Wolves

One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people.

He said, "My son, the battle is between 2 "wolves" inside us all.

One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.

The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: "Which wolf wins?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

- Author Unknown

Who and what gets your energy, time and attention?

Starve your fears and feed your faith.

Starve your depressing thoughts and feed your peaceful and grateful thoughts.

Starve your addictions and feed your self-control.

Starve drama-filled and dead end relationships. Feed and nurture healthy and loving relationships.

Starve your doubts and feed your dreams.

Starve your inner critic and feed your self-esteem.

Starve your negativity and feed your hope and optimism.

Starve your anger and stress and feed your soul with peace.

Starve your poor habits and build up your personal development.

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Replying to:

I am Peter Enger, the Greatest of the Self-Appointed,

I am afraid to be embarrassed by criticism, however legitimate.

Criticism is "insulting" to me, and conveniently, a "reason" for me, the Great Peter Enger, to ignore it. I prefer to pretend that all criticism is harmful.

I am afraid to use e-mail because e-mail is a permanent record. I will laughably claim that "complicated ideas" can't be communicated in "written form". Ha ha ha! I answer to nobody!

Please, please call me so I can bull**** you over the phone, but never be held accountably publicly for what I tell you.

Please work for the UTCC. Do what we tell you, when we tell you. Give us some importance.

We will parade ourselves once a month. That is all.


Mr. Foulks: You have defied me, the Great Peter Enger. You will be punished for your sins. We don't want you to ever come to my tea-parties, so there!

How dare you think for yourself, ask questions, or exercise your rights to free speech and association. You are in Peter Enger's fantasy world, not America!

If you bow, kneel before, and beg forgivenss from me, the Great Peter Enger, I might deem you my graceful respect and let you live, but you will never deserve it!

Do so now, or feel the consequences of my Great Peter Enger passive-aggressive ANGER as it smites you down!

DOWN WITH MR. FOULKS! DOWN WITH DEMOCRACY! DOWN WITH WHITE AMERICAN ADMINISTRATIONS OF ANYTHING!

JOIN THE PEOPLE'S REVOLUTION! CABDRIVERS, COME RULE THE ANIMAL FARM WITH US, YOUR PROPER MASTERS! WE CAN LURE YOU WITH WHISPERED LIES AND PROMISES OF BENEFITS GALORE! DO NOT RESIST THE GREAT PETER "Ali X" ENGER!

-Mike Foulks

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Replying to:

(after all his slamming and insults, and declarations he would never work with us)
i hesitate to post his response to this, as it is embarassing. and to any other critics: i and we will not respond to questions posted on here. particularly if they are insulting or have to do with our own internal strategies about what we are doing to achieve some headway in our struggle for justice, dignity and fair wages for fair work.

we feel email is a flawed system of commicating complicated ideas. we have a phone number if anyone wants to get in touch. we also have subcommittee meetings for those who want to plug into actual work. and a monthly general meeting (announced in our newsletter) for drivers who'd like to meet us and hear reports on our activities. we prefer one on one personal communications.

this was our response:


mr. foulks,

unfortunately, every request that we have made of you to stop attacking people on this site has been ignored or defied by you. you have shown yourself to be without ethics or morals when it comes to any personal statements or possible agreements we have attempted to make with you.

besides that, the caliber of the language you use against other human beings on this site and the kinds of insults you make take you out of the running for the possibilities of working with you. the only way you would have to get back into the good graces of the cabdrivers who know of such language you use would be for you to publicly acknowledge your errors, take responsibility for them and promise not to stoop to such behavior anymore. i doubt you have the integrity to do that, but here is a public challenge to do so.

believe me, mike this is not something personal, no matter how much you might like to imagine it it. you have cast many many aspersions on myself and the organization i belong to, and other persons who belong to it. i myself do not take it so seriously, because i dont' take you seriously.

you have not proferred any plans, strategies, campaigns, organized activities, or statements of purpose or beliefs in the six months since you formed CCO.
there is really no reason to have any public debate about our ideas vs. yours, because you have none. you would not be invited to our subcommittee meetings unless you make a principled declaration of responsibility for your actions and a promise to behave yourself in the future with integrity.

if you wish, i'll help you with the definition of 'integrity' and what it means if you have a problem conceiving it, or don't recognize how you have not exhibited it. i prefer not to make personal observations in public, but if you challenge me to divulge your behavior any further, i will. please don't. it's unseemly.

we in the UTCC prefer to keep any public dialogue on the ideas and principles we espouse off of a website like this, as this is a flawed method of communication. we will not discuss internal strategies with ANYone in public. you all have our number. call us, we'll meet with you and invite you to our subcommittee meetings. we also have monthly general meetings where you all can come and hear about our principles, our structure, and reports about our subcommittee work. there are also question and answer periods at the end.

Blah, blah, blah

Blah, blah, blah.

-Mike Foulks

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Replying to:

Foulks is working for the City whether he thinks so or not.

Story of Two Wolves

One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people.

He said, "My son, the battle is between 2 "wolves" inside us all.

One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.

The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: "Which wolf wins?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

- Author Unknown

Who and what gets your energy, time and attention?

Starve your fears and feed your faith.

Starve your depressing thoughts and feed your peaceful and grateful thoughts.

Starve your addictions and feed your self-control.

Starve drama-filled and dead end relationships. Feed and nurture healthy and loving relationships.

Starve your doubts and feed your dreams.

Starve your inner critic and feed your self-esteem.

Starve your negativity and feed your hope and optimism.

Starve your anger and stress and feed your soul with peace.

Starve your poor habits and build up your personal development.

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Replying to:

I am Peter Enger, the Greatest of the Self-Appointed,

I am afraid to be embarrassed by criticism, however legitimate.

Criticism is "insulting" to me, and conveniently, a "reason" for me, the Great Peter Enger, to ignore it. I prefer to pretend that all criticism is harmful.

I am afraid to use e-mail because e-mail is a permanent record. I will laughably claim that "complicated ideas" can't be communicated in "written form". Ha ha ha! I answer to nobody!

Please, please call me so I can bull**** you over the phone, but never be held accountably publicly for what I tell you.

Please work for the UTCC. Do what we tell you, when we tell you. Give us some importance.

We will parade ourselves once a month. That is all.


Mr. Foulks: You have defied me, the Great Peter Enger. You will be punished for your sins. We don't want you to ever come to my tea-parties, so there!

How dare you think for yourself, ask questions, or exercise your rights to free speech and association. You are in Peter Enger's fantasy world, not America!

If you bow, kneel before, and beg forgivenss from me, the Great Peter Enger, I might deem you my graceful respect and let you live, but you will never deserve it!

Do so now, or feel the consequences of my Great Peter Enger passive-aggressive ANGER as it smites you down!

DOWN WITH MR. FOULKS! DOWN WITH DEMOCRACY! DOWN WITH WHITE AMERICAN ADMINISTRATIONS OF ANYTHING!

JOIN THE PEOPLE'S REVOLUTION! CABDRIVERS, COME RULE THE ANIMAL FARM WITH US, YOUR PROPER MASTERS! WE CAN LURE YOU WITH WHISPERED LIES AND PROMISES OF BENEFITS GALORE! DO NOT RESIST THE GREAT PETER "Ali X" ENGER!

-Mike Foulks

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Replying to:

(after all his slamming and insults, and declarations he would never work with us)
i hesitate to post his response to this, as it is embarassing. and to any other critics: i and we will not respond to questions posted on here. particularly if they are insulting or have to do with our own internal strategies about what we are doing to achieve some headway in our struggle for justice, dignity and fair wages for fair work.

we feel email is a flawed system of commicating complicated ideas. we have a phone number if anyone wants to get in touch. we also have subcommittee meetings for those who want to plug into actual work. and a monthly general meeting (announced in our newsletter) for drivers who'd like to meet us and hear reports on our activities. we prefer one on one personal communications.

this was our response:


mr. foulks,

unfortunately, every request that we have made of you to stop attacking people on this site has been ignored or defied by you. you have shown yourself to be without ethics or morals when it comes to any personal statements or possible agreements we have attempted to make with you.

besides that, the caliber of the language you use against other human beings on this site and the kinds of insults you make take you out of the running for the possibilities of working with you. the only way you would have to get back into the good graces of the cabdrivers who know of such language you use would be for you to publicly acknowledge your errors, take responsibility for them and promise not to stoop to such behavior anymore. i doubt you have the integrity to do that, but here is a public challenge to do so.

believe me, mike this is not something personal, no matter how much you might like to imagine it it. you have cast many many aspersions on myself and the organization i belong to, and other persons who belong to it. i myself do not take it so seriously, because i dont' take you seriously.

you have not proferred any plans, strategies, campaigns, organized activities, or statements of purpose or beliefs in the six months since you formed CCO.
there is really no reason to have any public debate about our ideas vs. yours, because you have none. you would not be invited to our subcommittee meetings unless you make a principled declaration of responsibility for your actions and a promise to behave yourself in the future with integrity.

if you wish, i'll help you with the definition of 'integrity' and what it means if you have a problem conceiving it, or don't recognize how you have not exhibited it. i prefer not to make personal observations in public, but if you challenge me to divulge your behavior any further, i will. please don't. it's unseemly.

we in the UTCC prefer to keep any public dialogue on the ideas and principles we espouse off of a website like this, as this is a flawed method of communication. we will not discuss internal strategies with ANYone in public. you all have our number. call us, we'll meet with you and invite you to our subcommittee meetings. we also have monthly general meetings where you all can come and hear about our principles, our structure, and reports about our subcommittee work. there are also question and answer periods at the end.

Re: Re: Blah, blah, blah

I am Long Eared Father of Fools, the Great Pretender, the Greatest of the Self-Appointed.

I am ill-legitimate.

Criticism is insulting to me, and I, the Great Long Eared Father of Fools, The Great Pretender, to ignore it.

I even Pretend that all criticism is harmful. I answer to farts only!

Never hold Long Eared Father of Fools, The Great Pretender, the Greatest of the Self-Appointed accountably for what he pulls out of his rear.

Please work for the Pretend CHICAGO CUCKOO OBSCENETY. Do what we tell you, when we tell you. Give us some importance.

We will parade ourselves once a month. ALL ONE OF US.

I have defied myself and touched myself, the Great Long Eared Father of Fools, The Great Pretender for many years.

I am the Master Baiter.

I will continue to do so until I go blind and grow hair on the palms of my hands.

How dare I try to think. I am in Long Eared Father of Fools, The Great Pretender and this is my Never-Never Land, not America!

JOIN THE HEE-HAW REVOLUTION!

-Mike Foulks
The Great Long Eared Father of Fools, the Great Pretender, the Greatest of the Self-Appointed

mike mike mike

mike mike mike

why you gotta talk like that!? no wonder peter don't want to respond to you..
this is no way to talk seriously about any subject. you just make yourself look stupid.

please only talk about issues here. this is bad stuff. mike you are so rude. try to take the high road some time for a while...

Re: mike mike mike

he prefers the low blow

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Replying to:

mike mike mike

why you gotta talk like that!? no wonder peter don't want to respond to you..
this is no way to talk seriously about any subject. you just make yourself look stupid.

please only talk about issues here. this is bad stuff. mike you are so rude. try to take the high road some time for a while...

bilder bilder bilder

bilder bilder bilder,

Peter Enger has been playing games with me ever since he was involved with Melissa Callahan's AUPD, when their "election" (which was their idea) was called off and resuscitated by me.

Peter Enger will never work with me, don't be so easily fooled.

I can dish it out if I'm forced to take it. I have no respect for those who lie like Prateek Sampat and Peter Enger.

bilder, are you part of the UTCC? Why not? Go and join one of their "meetings" and you can see for yourself...don't take my word on it.

bilder, the "high road" is letting current Chicago cabdrivers as a group decide who their representatives are. I've been taking it for over six months.

-Mike Foulks

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Replying to:

mike mike mike

why you gotta talk like that!? no wonder peter don't want to respond to you..
this is no way to talk seriously about any subject. you just make yourself look stupid.

please only talk about issues here. this is bad stuff. mike you are so rude. try to take the high road some time for a while...

Re: Re: bilder bilder bilder: Brain Damage On the Donkey

Resuscitated? Hee-haw hee-haw heee-haw.

"Stolen" describes it more accurately.

That was after they realized what you were, those big long ears and that big "hee-haw" and those broken teeth and that broken mind are a dead give-away every time. Hee-haw hee-haw heee-haw.

The Father of Fools Foulks tells people not to be fooled by anyone except him. Hee-haw hee-haw heee-haw.

Mr. Peter Enger does not work or play with donkeys.

Silly long eared father of fools, lies are for people: "...and if you repeat (the lie) frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."

"...it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. It follows the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. Then keep up the lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."

The long eared father of fools has "been taking it" in the donkey over six months. You know he likes it.

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Replying to:

bilder bilder bilder,

Peter Enger has been playing games with me ever since he was involved with Melissa Callahan's AUPD, when their "election" (which was their idea) was called off and resuscitated by me.

Peter Enger will never work with me, don't be so easily fooled.

I can dish it out if I'm forced to take it. I have no respect for those who lie like Prateek Sampat and Peter Enger.

bilder, are you part of the UTCC? Why not? Go and join one of their "meetings" and you can see for yourself...don't take my word on it.

bilder, the "high road" is letting current Chicago cabdrivers as a group decide who their representatives are. I've been taking it for over six months.

-Mike Foulks

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Replying to:

mike mike mike

why you gotta talk like that!? no wonder peter don't want to respond to you..
this is no way to talk seriously about any subject. you just make yourself look stupid.

please only talk about issues here. this is bad stuff. mike you are so rude. try to take the high road some time for a while...

Re: mr. foulks asks us about our fare increase meeting

Peter, you wrote to Mike Foulks, "you would not be invited to our subcommittee meetings unless you make a principled declaration of responsibility for your actions and a promise to behave yourself in the future with integrity."

Mr. Enger,

One of your principled declarations was that journalists are not allowed at your meetings. That was Prateek Sampat's excuse for never allowing or even inviting me at his cabdriver meetings. Intitially you didn't agree with this "principle," but the last time I spoke with you, somehow you had changed your mind and said that it was proper to exclude me from cabdriver meetings on the basis that I'm a journalist.

Since you are a journalist now too, I want to invite you and Mike Foulks to lunch during your next UTCC meeting since none of us are going to be allowed to attend based on your principles. My treat. You pick the place.

George Lutfallah
Chicago Dispatcher

Re: Re: mr. foulks asks us about our fare increase meeting

george,
i have never stated that journalists were not allowed at our meetings. our monthly general meetings are open to cabdrivers and journalists alike. they are announced in our newsletter. your confusion may lie in the fact that a meeting to address the lease overcharge issues we had last winter was declared off limits to journalists, as we wanted to protect the anonymity of drivers who may have wanted to stand up. that was a strategic decision on one particular instance, not a blanket policy. we have had journalists attend several of our meetings.

as far as our regular subcommittee meetings, they are open to cabdrivers by invitation and inclination for drivers who want to participate in the work of the various issues that are taken on in them. we have a law and safety subcommittee, a fare increase subcommittee and a lease issues subcommittee. we would hope that anyone expressing an interest in coming to them would also profess unity with our basic principles and an interest in doing activist work to benefit the driver community as a whole, and not to either steal ideas, disrupt our process, get into personal antagonisms with other persons there, or report on our internal strategies to either the general public or other forces in the world that are antagonistic to our goals. we would frown on such activities, and would be inclined to disinvite such persons exhibiting these behaviors from future meetings.

all this will become clearer with the publication of our next newsletter.

george, you know very well these are all very sensitive subjects, and our stated goal of reforming the industry here in chicago will be strongly opposed by many social forces in and around our industry. please don't play dumb on here. you are smarter than that.

furthermore, i have never stated that i am a journalist. i do not have a journalism degree, i don't report on news as a journalist.

george, you keep complaining about not being invited to cabdriver meetings. steve and i sat in your office and asked you point blank FOUR TIMES whether you wanted to be invited to our meetings and take part in our organizing process. you refused four times! and on top of that, you insulted us by implying that we (steve and i, and by further implication the rest of our steering committee of 13 persons now) were merely puppets being controlled by the AFSC and their organizer. the idea is ludicrous on the face of it, and insulting to our agency and human dignity.

the fact of the matter is, you, george lutfallah, have a different politic and a different idea for what needs to be done to assist the cabdrivers and the industry here in chicago. it is evident in the piece of legislation you sponsored with george kasp last fall and it is evident in the editorials you publish in your paper. you have pointedly criticized the politics that we espouse on numerous occasions. why then would you want to join with us and be invited to our meetings? as i have stated many times since i started doing this work last summer, it is idealistic to think we could unite with everybody without regard to underlying principles. there has to be a BASIS for unity and coming together. we in the UTCC believe we have the basic principles that the most drivers could unite with and join us based upon. lets just see if we are right. only work in the interests of the people, and time, will tell.

george, we (you and the UTCC) would not be a good fit. i would recommend that you form your own organization, one that embodies your ideals and your ideas for how to improve the lot of cabdrivers. in the marketplace of ideas we could contend with your organization, and then we could see which org. the drivers prefer. that would be truly democracy in action.

anyway, why would you want to join with or participate in an organization whose core persons you have antagonisms with, and whose core principles you say you oppose, and whose strategies you don't agree with? it doesn't make sense.

peter

Re: Re: Re: mr. foulks hee-haws about our fare increase meeting

Mr. Eneger writes to George, "anyway, why would you want to join with or participate in an organization whose core persons you have antagonisms with, and whose core principles you say you oppose, and whose strategies you don't agree with? it doesn't make sense."

Maybe Mr. George has been listening to LONG EARS too much lately, and not following his own good sense.

He is capable of good sense when his "bad company" imaginary president of the "Long Eared Father of Fools Non-organization of One Dimwit" stops hee-hawing long enough to get in an intelligent thought edge-wise

I, state your name, do solemny swear,...

Peter Enger,

I hereby make a principled declaration of responsibility for my actions and a promise to behave myself in the future with integrity. As usual.

Where's my invitation?

Full disclosure: I'm still "white". Is that still a problem for you and your "poltical opinions?

-Mike Foulks

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Replying to:

Peter, you wrote to Mike Foulks, "you would not be invited to our subcommittee meetings unless you make a principled declaration of responsibility for your actions and a promise to behave yourself in the future with integrity."

Mr. Enger,

One of your principled declarations was that journalists are not allowed at your meetings. That was Prateek Sampat's excuse for never allowing or even inviting me at his cabdriver meetings. Intitially you didn't agree with this "principle," but the last time I spoke with you, somehow you had changed your mind and said that it was proper to exclude me from cabdriver meetings on the basis that I'm a journalist.

Since you are a journalist now too, I want to invite you and Mike Foulks to lunch during your next UTCC meeting since none of us are going to be allowed to attend based on your principles. My treat. You pick the place.

George Lutfallah
Chicago Dispatcher

Re: I, Long Eared Father of Fools, do solemny hee-haw,

"Long Eared Father of Fools Non-organization of One Dimwit" can not be trusted.

Make him write and sign a sworn statement in his own blood.

I volunteer to draw the blood.

We will need about a gallon.

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Replying to:

Peter Enger,

I hereby make a principled declaration of responsibility for my actions and a promise to behave myself in the future with integrity. As usual.

Where's my invitation?

Full disclosure: I'm still "white". Is that still a problem for you and your "poltical opinions?

-Mike Foulks

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Replying to:

Peter, you wrote to Mike Foulks, "you would not be invited to our subcommittee meetings unless you make a principled declaration of responsibility for your actions and a promise to behave yourself in the future with integrity."

Mr. Enger,

One of your principled declarations was that journalists are not allowed at your meetings. That was Prateek Sampat's excuse for never allowing or even inviting me at his cabdriver meetings. Intitially you didn't agree with this "principle," but the last time I spoke with you, somehow you had changed your mind and said that it was proper to exclude me from cabdriver meetings on the basis that I'm a journalist.

Since you are a journalist now too, I want to invite you and Mike Foulks to lunch during your next UTCC meeting since none of us are going to be allowed to attend based on your principles. My treat. You pick the place.

George Lutfallah
Chicago Dispatcher

Re: Re: mr. foulks asks us about our fare increase meeting

George, Is there something about the George Lutfallah/Mike Foulks relationship you have neglected to tell the rest of us? No, sorry, this is a good question. How old were you when you first met Mike Foulks? Did you both plan on being taxi drivers back then?