Peter Enger (UTCC Secretary), why can't you post using your real name? Are you ashamed?
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Subject: Sticky: Re: Re: State of the Union
Name: johal
Date Posted: Aug 26, 08 - 4:50 PM
Message: so i gues george has to delete his own post, because he said before he would answer all those questions and more, and he did not answer any of them.
so change your policy george the liar or admit you are a liar.
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Subject: Sticky: Re: State of the Union
Name: jimmy
Date Posted: Aug 26, 08 - 5:00 PM
Message: lets get this straight.
you want us to pay $20 of our hard earned money to hire a lawyer who might take five years to do a leegal strategy that might not work leaving us with nothing for 5 more years?
and you wont' tell us what the strategy is?
you are talking crazy, man!
we need something NOW!
and were supposed to trust YOUR judgment about drivers who will collect money for this who you wont even name but you call them leaders? are you out of your mind? you know the drivers who took our money years ago and gave us nothing. do you think we will give them money again? or anyone else for a dream of a union?
who do you think you are george, to give us a 'state of the union'? do you think you are the boss of us already? or the president?
no way am i giving my money to someone the dispatcher tellls me to.
look at how you insulted the police when they came to the ohare last week. and don't you care if they ticket drivers because you insulted them?
in my opinion, george needs anger management classes.
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IN MY OPINION, PETER ENGER, YOU ARE PATHETIC AND DESPERATELY TRYING TO SABOTAGE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CHICAGO CABDRIVERS TO HAVE A COURT-RECOGNIZED UNION.
USING FAKE NAMES. PRETENDING TO BE OTHER CABDRIVERS TO MISLEAD OTHERS INTO THINKING THAT YOU AND YOUR OPINIONS ARE WIDELY SUPPORTED.
HOW "PRINCIPLED" OF YOU.
-Mike Foulks
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All of these posts are likely PETER ENGER, Secretary of the UTCC:
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Subject: hey george, take a philosophy class
Name: pauli
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 2:41 PM
Message: and follow that up with a logic class.
you obviously cant' figure out what a HUGE stupid mistake it is to claim you can know what a lie is.
are you deleting teds post about the dispatcher being publishe last sat? that was a lie. or your own post that we can read the answers to engers questions in the dispatcher? that has been a lie so far. and will probably turn out to be a lie when you finally publisch it.
cause how could you answer those questions truthfully and retain any credibility?
what about all the lies foulks posts? his whole world is a lie. if you cant see it, then you have lost all your senses, if you ever had any.
if you delete this, which contains no lies, only opinions, then you will be shown up for what you are; a charlatan, and egomaniac, a wannabe kingmaker who can't even rite the truth of his own meetings in his own paper.
cabdriver leaders my ass! why don't you tell us who you have annointed as our leaders, george? i'd sure like to know..
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Subject: Re: My response to "Big Fat Mouth", who is changing the subject and twisting the truth (again)...
Name: pauli
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 2:47 PM
Message: mf,
how appropriate your initials are. what do you know about collective decision making? what do you base your opinions that the utcc shouldn't put their names on a placard they produced? the city does the same thing all the time. do you object to mayor daley posting his name on every piece of city crap produced cause he's 'advertising' himself? or norma reyes on the surcharge placard?
you're just jealous you havent got an org. that can accomplish anything. i wouldn't follow you or george into a bathroom, much less into some harebrained scheme to raise 20,000 from us poor ass drivers to hire a lawyer taht may or may not succeed in getting the right to form a union in 5 years or more and then having to pay more and more money to actually make a union. we need an org. NOW, mf-er!
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Subject: Re: Re: Re: I want to let drivers know what happened at the airport
Name: pauli
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 2:53 PM
Message: ted you seem like a honest guy. you know thats not how it went down last week. the drivers at the airport said george came with you, you didn't call him. why did you write it different? is george putting words in your mouth? i know he helped you before, but don't let him get you in trouble!
this is a good fight, but try to do it right, not how george is telling lyou to do it. george doesn't know how to make proper cases or fights or anything. thats why he didn't make any org. in all his years here in tha taxi industry.
he just likes news he can put in his paper that makes him look like a good guy.
ask him why he didn't put the names of the leaders in the paper? or why he asked them to sign a blank piece of paper? what kinds of leaders are so cowardly to not want to put their names in the paper or what they are planning to do to take more of our hardworking cabdrivers money?
when is the dispatcher coming out with answers to all theese questions?
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Subject: new forum policy
Name: johal
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 2:59 PM
Message: george you gotta be kidding!
there are so many lies posted on here already you didn't delete!
you know teds post about the incident at ohare last week is not true. my friend saw you and ted show up together, why would he lie, why don't you delete his post?
and why did you guys get in trouble later and argue with the poliece? did you threaten them? the police also said if you publish thier names they will ticket lots of drivers. why do you want to get us in trouble george? (this is true--i heard from 2 drivers--if you delete this your new policy is a joke)
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Subject: Re: George, what value do you need?
Name: johal
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:01 PM
Message: george came with ted to airport and threatende police and police threatended to write lots of tickets to drivers if george publish their name.
be careful of george. he has a temper and don't know how to talk to people polite.
ted is a sweethart but he also gets to angry too fast
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Subject: Re: Re: There's no point in responding - my posts keep being deleted.
Name: johal
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:02 PM
Message: george is a ego maniac and only wants to see things his way. he won't listen to critics and he wants to appoint leaders but won't name them
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Subject: Re: new forum policy
Name: mr. hernandez
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:05 PM
Message: i never saw this site before. its very confusing who is everybody.
but i did see some drivers arguing with police last week. two big round white guys. is that who you are talking about? they were very rude to the police
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Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Who Are The People In Charge, The Decision Makers, The Company Owners
Name: hassan
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:09 PM
Message: don't listen to him adam.
he doesn't know any leaders or people in charge. he wants to make them, cuz he wants to be the kingmaker.
go ask any other driver except george. in his last dispatcher he said cabdrivre leaders met but didn't name them. what kind of leaders don't have names.
i also heard from my persian friend that he wanted drivers to sign a blank piec of paper that he would write later into a declaration of unity. my friend just laughed at him
george is a joke to the cabdrivers. ha ha ha
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Subject: Re: The next Chicago Cabdriver Organization (CCO) election is November 19, 2008.
Name: hassan
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:12 PM
Message: mike
please stop making a joke out of elections and the cco. for almost one year you have 2 elections, no meeting, no organization, no platform, no goals no strategies, no campaigns no representatives except you calling your self president'. give it up anymoe already. it makes people confused and laughing at americans
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Subject: Re: Try the AUCA taxicab receipts
Name: hassan
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:13 PM
Message: another pathetic attempt by george to follow in utcc footsteps. who is ever gonna see this message? do you think potential criminals or violent drunks pay by credit cards and think about things?
so stupid.
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Subject: Re: Re: Mr. Lutfallah, please remove this post per new forum policy as it contains lies.
Name: hassan
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:15 PM
Message: george does not delete posts because he says he knows they have lies. he deletes posts he doesn't like because they have the truth about him. or opinions about him that he don't like.
give it up george. the drivers are too smart to follow you anywhere.
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Subject: Re: Peter, I warned you not to lie
Name: hassan
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:17 PM
Message: who is george who is using language like i warned you not to lie. this is aggressive talk. police give warnings. or bullies. is george acting like a police or bully?
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WHY ARE YOU MAKING THESE POSTS USING FAKE NAMES, Peter Enger, Secretary of the UTCC?
I THOUGHT THAT WAS AGAINST YOUR "principles"?
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOUR DELIBERATE DECEPTION.
YOU ARE PRETENDING TO BE OTHER CABDRIVERS TO MAKE PEOPLE THINK THAT MANY OF US SUPPORT YOUR OPINIONS.
YOU ARE PATHETIC.
-Mike Foulks
And now "RUTASH"...Peter Enger (UTCC Secretary again?!?) PATHETIC!
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Subject: Sticky: Re: Anatomy of a Chicago Police Cover-up
Name: rutash
Date Posted: Aug 26, 08 - 5:16 PM
Message: this kind of article is no good for cabdrivers. why do i want to read about george fighting with police? will this help me do my job better? or will he get us in trouble more.
george please do not writh about your personal problems in the newspaper. it makes you look small and i don't respect you so much anymore. i never came on here before but this article make me so mad at george.
why insult the police when they can hurt cabdrivers too much already?
i am sorry for ted to have you for a friend. i see utcc men discuss and talk with starters, and ground transportation and police, and they always win the point. they can still do the voting survey for strike and no one bother them. ted you should talk to them how they do that.
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PETER ENGER, WHO "ANOINTED" YOU "SECRETARY OF THE UTCC"?
CHICAGO CABDRIVERS DIDN'T VOTE FOR YOU. YOU ARE TOO AFRAID TO MEASURE JUST HOW (UN)POPULAR YOU AND "UTCC" REALLY ARE!
-Mike Foulks
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Replying to:
Peter Enger (UTCC Secretary), why can't you post using your real name? Are you ashamed?
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Subject: Sticky: Re: Re: State of the Union
Name: johal
Date Posted: Aug 26, 08 - 4:50 PM
Message: so i gues george has to delete his own post, because he said before he would answer all those questions and more, and he did not answer any of them.
so change your policy george the liar or admit you are a liar.
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Subject: Sticky: Re: State of the Union
Name: jimmy
Date Posted: Aug 26, 08 - 5:00 PM
Message: lets get this straight.
you want us to pay $20 of our hard earned money to hire a lawyer who might take five years to do a leegal strategy that might not work leaving us with nothing for 5 more years?
and you wont' tell us what the strategy is?
you are talking crazy, man!
we need something NOW!
and were supposed to trust YOUR judgment about drivers who will collect money for this who you wont even name but you call them leaders? are you out of your mind? you know the drivers who took our money years ago and gave us nothing. do you think we will give them money again? or anyone else for a dream of a union?
who do you think you are george, to give us a 'state of the union'? do you think you are the boss of us already? or the president?
no way am i giving my money to someone the dispatcher tellls me to.
look at how you insulted the police when they came to the ohare last week. and don't you care if they ticket drivers because you insulted them?
in my opinion, george needs anger management classes.
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IN MY OPINION, PETER ENGER, YOU ARE PATHETIC AND DESPERATELY TRYING TO SABOTAGE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CHICAGO CABDRIVERS TO HAVE A COURT-RECOGNIZED UNION.
USING FAKE NAMES. PRETENDING TO BE OTHER CABDRIVERS TO MISLEAD OTHERS INTO THINKING THAT YOU AND YOUR OPINIONS ARE WIDELY SUPPORTED.
HOW "PRINCIPLED" OF YOU.
-Mike Foulks
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Replying to:
All of these posts are likely PETER ENGER, Secretary of the UTCC:
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Subject: hey george, take a philosophy class
Name: pauli
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 2:41 PM
Message: and follow that up with a logic class.
you obviously cant' figure out what a HUGE stupid mistake it is to claim you can know what a lie is.
are you deleting teds post about the dispatcher being publishe last sat? that was a lie. or your own post that we can read the answers to engers questions in the dispatcher? that has been a lie so far. and will probably turn out to be a lie when you finally publisch it.
cause how could you answer those questions truthfully and retain any credibility?
what about all the lies foulks posts? his whole world is a lie. if you cant see it, then you have lost all your senses, if you ever had any.
if you delete this, which contains no lies, only opinions, then you will be shown up for what you are; a charlatan, and egomaniac, a wannabe kingmaker who can't even rite the truth of his own meetings in his own paper.
cabdriver leaders my ass! why don't you tell us who you have annointed as our leaders, george? i'd sure like to know..
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Subject: Re: My response to "Big Fat Mouth", who is changing the subject and twisting the truth (again)...
Name: pauli
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 2:47 PM
Message: mf,
how appropriate your initials are. what do you know about collective decision making? what do you base your opinions that the utcc shouldn't put their names on a placard they produced? the city does the same thing all the time. do you object to mayor daley posting his name on every piece of city crap produced cause he's 'advertising' himself? or norma reyes on the surcharge placard?
you're just jealous you havent got an org. that can accomplish anything. i wouldn't follow you or george into a bathroom, much less into some harebrained scheme to raise 20,000 from us poor ass drivers to hire a lawyer taht may or may not succeed in getting the right to form a union in 5 years or more and then having to pay more and more money to actually make a union. we need an org. NOW, mf-er!
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Subject: Re: Re: Re: I want to let drivers know what happened at the airport
Name: pauli
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 2:53 PM
Message: ted you seem like a honest guy. you know thats not how it went down last week. the drivers at the airport said george came with you, you didn't call him. why did you write it different? is george putting words in your mouth? i know he helped you before, but don't let him get you in trouble!
this is a good fight, but try to do it right, not how george is telling lyou to do it. george doesn't know how to make proper cases or fights or anything. thats why he didn't make any org. in all his years here in tha taxi industry.
he just likes news he can put in his paper that makes him look like a good guy.
ask him why he didn't put the names of the leaders in the paper? or why he asked them to sign a blank piece of paper? what kinds of leaders are so cowardly to not want to put their names in the paper or what they are planning to do to take more of our hardworking cabdrivers money?
when is the dispatcher coming out with answers to all theese questions?
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Subject: new forum policy
Name: johal
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 2:59 PM
Message: george you gotta be kidding!
there are so many lies posted on here already you didn't delete!
you know teds post about the incident at ohare last week is not true. my friend saw you and ted show up together, why would he lie, why don't you delete his post?
and why did you guys get in trouble later and argue with the poliece? did you threaten them? the police also said if you publish thier names they will ticket lots of drivers. why do you want to get us in trouble george? (this is true--i heard from 2 drivers--if you delete this your new policy is a joke)
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Subject: Re: George, what value do you need?
Name: johal
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:01 PM
Message: george came with ted to airport and threatende police and police threatended to write lots of tickets to drivers if george publish their name.
be careful of george. he has a temper and don't know how to talk to people polite.
ted is a sweethart but he also gets to angry too fast
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Subject: Re: Re: There's no point in responding - my posts keep being deleted.
Name: johal
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:02 PM
Message: george is a ego maniac and only wants to see things his way. he won't listen to critics and he wants to appoint leaders but won't name them
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Subject: Re: new forum policy
Name: mr. hernandez
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:05 PM
Message: i never saw this site before. its very confusing who is everybody.
but i did see some drivers arguing with police last week. two big round white guys. is that who you are talking about? they were very rude to the police
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Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Who Are The People In Charge, The Decision Makers, The Company Owners
Name: hassan
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:09 PM
Message: don't listen to him adam.
he doesn't know any leaders or people in charge. he wants to make them, cuz he wants to be the kingmaker.
go ask any other driver except george. in his last dispatcher he said cabdrivre leaders met but didn't name them. what kind of leaders don't have names.
i also heard from my persian friend that he wanted drivers to sign a blank piec of paper that he would write later into a declaration of unity. my friend just laughed at him
george is a joke to the cabdrivers. ha ha ha
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Subject: Re: The next Chicago Cabdriver Organization (CCO) election is November 19, 2008.
Name: hassan
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:12 PM
Message: mike
please stop making a joke out of elections and the cco. for almost one year you have 2 elections, no meeting, no organization, no platform, no goals no strategies, no campaigns no representatives except you calling your self president'. give it up anymoe already. it makes people confused and laughing at americans
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Subject: Re: Try the AUCA taxicab receipts
Name: hassan
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:13 PM
Message: another pathetic attempt by george to follow in utcc footsteps. who is ever gonna see this message? do you think potential criminals or violent drunks pay by credit cards and think about things?
so stupid.
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Subject: Re: Re: Mr. Lutfallah, please remove this post per new forum policy as it contains lies.
Name: hassan
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:15 PM
Message: george does not delete posts because he says he knows they have lies. he deletes posts he doesn't like because they have the truth about him. or opinions about him that he don't like.
give it up george. the drivers are too smart to follow you anywhere.
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Subject: Re: Peter, I warned you not to lie
Name: hassan
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:17 PM
Message: who is george who is using language like i warned you not to lie. this is aggressive talk. police give warnings. or bullies. is george acting like a police or bully?
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WHY ARE YOU MAKING THESE POSTS USING FAKE NAMES, Peter Enger, Secretary of the UTCC?
I THOUGHT THAT WAS AGAINST YOUR "principles"?
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOUR DELIBERATE DECEPTION.
YOU ARE PRETENDING TO BE OTHER CABDRIVERS TO MAKE PEOPLE THINK THAT MANY OF US SUPPORT YOUR OPINIONS.
YOU ARE PATHETIC.
-Mike Foulks
Who cares about such nonsense? Assuming you are correct for the sake of the discussion, what earthly difference does it make how Enger posts? Why are you foaming at the mouth about it?
Donald Nathan
Mr. Nathan,
There's nothing "presumptive" about pointing out such a deception. Draw your own conclusion.
PETER ENGER LIES WHEN HE SAYS THAT UTCC STEERING COMMITTEE DON'T POST HERE USING FAKE NAMES.
PETER ENGER (SECRETARY OF THE UTCC) OBVIOUSLY WANTS TO SABOTAGE ANY OPPORTUNITY THAT MR. GEOGHAN MIGHT PRESENT CHICAGO CABDRIVERS FOR WINNING A COURT CASE WHICH COULD LEAVE US WITH A LEGAL UNION.
HE DOESN'T HAVE THE COURAGE OF HIS CONVICTIONS (OR HIS MISLEADING QUESTIONS).
PETER ENGER, SECRETARY OF THE UTCC, IS A DECEPTIVE COWARD.
ALL HIS BULL ABOUT HIS SO-CALLED "PRINCIPLES" IS PURE HYPOCRISY.
-Mike Foulks
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Who cares about such nonsense? Assuming you are correct for the sake of the discussion, what earthly difference does it make how Enger posts? Why are you foaming at the mouth about it?
Donald Nathan
foulks -
The word used was "presumptuous", not "presumptive". There's a difference. What deception are you talking about?
You are being presumptuous when you conclude without any factual basis that anyone associated with the UTCC Steering Committee posted on the Lutfallah forum without identifying himself or herself. In fact, you are dead wrong. Everyone on that committee has signed a code of conduct pledge that would forbid any kind of immoral, improper or deceptive conduct. Under no circumstance would any UTCC person do the kinds of things that landed you in the House of Corrections much less as the focus of regular criticism.
I am sure Peter Enger would wish Thomas Geoghegan (you should spell it correctly) all the success he might achieve in any court action he might initiate on behalf of cabdrivers. Why on earth would he want to sabotage such action? How would that serve the interests of the UTCC? What stupidity it is to suggest that it would on your part.
A "Court Case" isn't going to leave you with a "legal union" as I understand it. But perhaps Mr. Geoghegan can explain his strategy to achieve a union in such a way that he can rally thousands of drivers and hundreds of allies to realize that goal. One way or another, Enger and the UTCC Steering Committee won't stand in the way of that.
And a convicted felon is hardly one to criticize decent members of society for being hypocritical about their principles. Even if he chooses to look like a 21st Century Che Guevarra, you have no right to criticize Enger with your felony background. Button your lip till you clear your own filthy name if you ever can do so.
Donald Nathan
Mr. Nathan, can we presume that you don't believe that Peter Enger, UTCC Secretary posts with fake names?
You wrote: "The word used was "presumptuous", not "presumptive". There's a difference. What deception are you talking about?"
Mr. Potato-Head, Mr. Tomato-Thower. PETER ENGER, "Secretary of the UTCC" IS POSTING HERE USING FAKE NAMES. HE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE. WOLF WEISS, "Director of the CPTDA", (you are a "Director of the CPTDA" as well, Mr. Nathan), HAS ALSO TRIED TO SABOTAGE THIS WEBSITE'S HONEST DISCUSSION OF THE ISSUES BY POSTING WITH PSEUDONYMS.
You wrote: "You are being presumptuous when you conclude without any factual basis that anyone associated with the UTCC Steering Committee posted on the Lutfallah forum without identifying himself or herself. In fact, you are dead wrong. Everyone on that committee has signed a code of conduct pledge that would forbid any kind of immoral, improper or deceptive conduct. Under no circumstance would any UTCC person do the kinds of things that landed you in the House of Corrections much less as the focus of regular criticism."
NO, Mr. Nathan, YOU ARE "DEAD WRONG".
You wrote: "I am sure Peter Enger would wish Thomas Geoghegan (you should spell it correctly) all the success he might achieve in any court action he might initiate on behalf of cabdrivers. Why on earth would he want to sabotage such action? How would that serve the interests of the UTCC? What stupidity it is to suggest that it would on your part."
AGAIN, MR. Nathan, YOU ARE "DEAD WRONG".
You wrote: "A "Court Case" isn't going to leave you with a "legal union" as I understand it. But perhaps Mr. Geoghegan can explain his strategy to achieve a union in such a way that he can rally thousands of drivers and hundreds of allies to realize that goal. One way or another, Enger and the UTCC Steering Committee won't stand in the way of that."
WRONG AGAIN, MR. Nathan.
YOU WROTE: "And a convicted felon is hardly one to criticize decent members of society for being hypocritical about their principles. Even if he chooses to look like a 21st Century Che Guevarra, you have no right to criticize Enger with your felony background. Button your lip till you clear your own filthy name if you ever can do so."
YOU ARE STILL WRONG, Mr. Nathan.
YOU ARE THE MAYOR OF WRONGVILLE. YOU LIVE AT THE CORNER OF WRONG WAY AND WRONG COURT (A DEAD END STREET). I'LL BET EVEN YOUR CHILDREN WERE MISTAKES.
-Mike Foulks
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foulks -
The word used was "presumptuous", not "presumptive". There's a difference. What deception are you talking about?
You are being presumptuous when you conclude without any factual basis that anyone associated with the UTCC Steering Committee posted on the Lutfallah forum without identifying himself or herself. In fact, you are dead wrong. Everyone on that committee has signed a code of conduct pledge that would forbid any kind of immoral, improper or deceptive conduct. Under no circumstance would any UTCC person do the kinds of things that landed you in the House of Corrections much less as the focus of regular criticism.
I am sure Peter Enger would wish Thomas Geoghegan (you should spell it correctly) all the success he might achieve in any court action he might initiate on behalf of cabdrivers. Why on earth would he want to sabotage such action? How would that serve the interests of the UTCC? What stupidity it is to suggest that it would on your part.
A "Court Case" isn't going to leave you with a "legal union" as I understand it. But perhaps Mr. Geoghegan can explain his strategy to achieve a union in such a way that he can rally thousands of drivers and hundreds of allies to realize that goal. One way or another, Enger and the UTCC Steering Committee won't stand in the way of that.
And a convicted felon is hardly one to criticize decent members of society for being hypocritical about their principles. Even if he chooses to look like a 21st Century Che Guevarra, you have no right to criticize Enger with your felony background. Button your lip till you clear your own filthy name if you ever can do so.
Donald Nathan
"You" stand alone, foulks. "You" are not "We". Peter Enger is an odd duck in my opinion, but he has a heart of gold. He is a guy who stands with a "We" of moral people who have taken an oath of decency - all of them have. None of them is a felon. None of them has even been charged with a crime as far as I know - EVER.
What does that say about anything you have to say?
Stop worrying so much about fake names. And don't worry about my children or anything else about me. I'll look for you in a dark alley some night big guy, but remember I'm over 60 and you tower over me.
Donald Nathan
You didn't answer the question, Mr. Nathan. Do you think that Peter Enger is using fake names?
A "YES" or "NO" will suffice.
My conviction, however wrongful, doesn't have anything to do with PETER ENGER, Secretary of the UTCC, USING FAKE NAMES IN THIS DISCUSSION FORUM.
Again, Mr. Nathan: DO YOU THINK THAT PETER ENGER, Secretary of the UTCC, IS USING FAKE NAMES?
Yes or No?
-Mike Foulks
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"You" stand alone, foulks. "You" are not "We". Peter Enger is an odd duck in my opinion, but he has a heart of gold. He is a guy who stands with a "We" of moral people who have taken an oath of decency - all of them have. None of them is a felon. None of them has even been charged with a crime as far as I know - EVER.
What does that say about anything you have to say?
Stop worrying so much about fake names. And don't worry about my children or anything else about me. I'll look for you in a dark alley some night big guy, but remember I'm over 60 and you tower over me.
Donald Nathan
Nobody cares what names anyone is using for postings except you. Everyone understands why people live in terror of a big bully like you and hide behind pseudonyms. I don't even though you dwarf me.
I'm going to make some general comments for the taxi industry - not directed to you.
I've been using words as weapons for the benefit of cabdrivers for the past 33 years. Maybe foulks the felon can harness his anger to good use. I'd rather hope so. But the likelihood is that he's not going to be a benefit to the industry until he learns to work with those who have positive programs: Khozindar, Kim, Enger, Sampat, Kapoor, Weiss, Florence, Tang - all of these fine men come to mind right away. He'd rather attack them personally than work with them.
No one can work alone, and foulks' CCO is an organization of one. It has nominal backing of George Lutfallah - I can't fathom why because Lutfallah is really a bright young man who I would hardly expect would want to associate with a criminal element. This mystifies me.
The bottom line is to do our best to stay out of foulks' way and to remind those in the industry of what he is over and over when he assaults decent people with his vicious pen.
I'll use my name to do that EVERY TIME. You who chose not to use your names can stay anonymous if you like. I'm afraid of nothing and no one, especially so a slime and a crud oozing out of a dark alley.
Even though he is 25 years younger and much taller, I have no fear - on paper or in person.
Does that answer your question clearly enough, foulks?
Donald Nathan
Actually, Mr. Nathan, you are still avoiding the question...and you are a hypocrite for that.
The question is simply, do you believe that Mr. Peter Enger of the UTCC is posting here using fake names?
All you have to do is answer "YES" or "NO".
You want to say that you don't care, or that it doesn't matter.
But you don't want to answer the question.
You are a hypocrite because you chastise me for similar language that people who use fake names use to tear down Mr. Lutfallah, myself, and others.
At least I am responsible enough to use my own name and have enough integrity to attach it to my comments.
I don't "dwarf you", Mr. Nathan. You are nearly the same height as me; you are heavier than I, you are as bombastic, if not more so, with your speeches concerning physical capabilities.
I don't need to work with Mr. Sampat to benefit my fellow cabdrivers. Same goes for Mr. Tang and you, Mr. Nathan.
What's the common denominator amongst the three of you?
You aren't current Chicago cabdrivers and you have tried to smear the good work and good names of Mr. Lutfallah, myself, and others. Why is that?
Those who choose to stay anonymous aren't afraid of me, Mr. Nathan. I already know who most of them are.
They are afraid of being held responsible for the lies and nonsense they write.
You use your real name because you don't really care how my fellow cabdrivers or most others will respond to your attacks upon Mr. Lutfallah or myself.
You are trying to win favor with a handful of people who are more focused on trying to eliminate Mr. Lutfallah's, my, or others' credibility or influence simply becuase we have chosen (rightly) not to work with Mr. Sampat, Mr. Tang, you, or others who have proven to be careless with the truth.
A very small handful of people, Mr. Nathan.
You aren't even valued as much as you think by them either, Mr. Nathan, let alone the few current Chicago cabdrivers who you've "helped" recently.
You want to answer the question yet?
-Mike Foulks
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Nobody cares what names anyone is using for postings except you. Everyone understands why people live in terror of a big bully like you and hide behind pseudonyms. I don't even though you dwarf me.
I'm going to make some general comments for the taxi industry - not directed to you.
I've been using words as weapons for the benefit of cabdrivers for the past 33 years. Maybe foulks the felon can harness his anger to good use. I'd rather hope so. But the likelihood is that he's not going to be a benefit to the industry until he learns to work with those who have positive programs: Khozindar, Kim, Enger, Sampat, Kapoor, Weiss, Florence, Tang - all of these fine men come to mind right away. He'd rather attack them personally than work with them.
No one can work alone, and foulks' CCO is an organization of one. It has nominal backing of George Lutfallah - I can't fathom why because Lutfallah is really a bright young man who I would hardly expect would want to associate with a criminal element. This mystifies me.
The bottom line is to do our best to stay out of foulks' way and to remind those in the industry of what he is over and over when he assaults decent people with his vicious pen.
I'll use my name to do that EVERY TIME. You who chose not to use your names can stay anonymous if you like. I'm afraid of nothing and no one, especially so a slime and a crud oozing out of a dark alley.
Even though he is 25 years younger and much taller, I have no fear - on paper or in person.
Does that answer your question clearly enough, foulks?
Donald Nathan
Not that it matters one iota ---
I do not believe Peter Enger would violate his code of conduct for anything. I believe he takes it as seriously as do I my oath as an Attorney.
My studied guess is that Enger is not using pseudonyms to post anything on this "Forum".
I have no personal knowledge - it is just a reasoned guess borne of respect for the man.
That's as direct as any felon is going to get from me.
You don't even deserve that answer.
Donald Nathan
M DFoulks, Nathan gave you the reasons you were wrong. They make sense. All you could answer is that Nathan was wrong without giving any reason. Do you have a junior high diploma? High school?
To tell you the truth, I don't believe even you are posting with a real name. They say my name is Donald Nathan. That's based on the pedigree exception to the hearsay rule. But in your case, I kind of doubt the assertion that you are on the level with initials MF.
I don't give a flying you know what whether Peter Enger is posting under fake names, nor does anyone else on planet earth except perhaps you. I do know he has signed a pledge to maintain moral dignity, and he would NEVER violate it - same for all on the Steering Committee of the UTCC.
Personally, I found that "Code of Conduct" a bit offensive. I felt it was enough to have taken my oath as an attorney to maintain the requirements of the Canons of Ethics. I refused to sign it and chose not to be on the UTCC Steering Committee. I would never post under a fake name - EVER. And I seriously doubt Enger would either. I also would be amazed if Kapoor ever posted on the Lutfallah "Forum". I'm sure Sampat never posted.
You are talking to yourself, Mike. No one really cares about your silly concerns if they have any good sense. I address them only because of the few people around who might otherwise take you seriously.
God forbid.
Donald Nathan
Is "johnny" Peter Enger TOO???
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Subject: Sticky: Re: Black Steel in the Hour of Chaos
Name: johnny
Date Posted: Aug 26, 08 - 5:27 PM
Message: does anyone care whether george lost his precious paper rack or is it just me? do we really need a whole article about this? don't we drivers have more important issues he can address?
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Subject: bring back LONG EARED FATHER OF FOOLS!
Name: johnny
Date Posted: Aug 26, 08 - 5:25 PM
Message: i need to be entertained.
qustions; if cco members can meet in a washroom and they dont have to attend meetings, do they ever get to wash their hands or go to the bathroom?
does LEFOF know wht a joke is?
does LEFOF have anything between those ears?
does LEFOF do anything besiedes attack people george tells him to on this site?
did LEFOF sign the blank 'declaration of unity?
did he sign it LONG EARED FATHER OF FOOLS?
OR mike "lefof" foulks?
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PETER ENGER, SECRETARY OF THE UTCC, IS THIS YOU "IN DISGUISE"?
(YOUR HYPOCRISY IS SHOWING. IT'S NOT PRETTY.)
-Mike Foulks
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Replying to:
All of these posts are likely PETER ENGER, Secretary of the UTCC:
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Subject: hey george, take a philosophy class
Name: pauli
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 2:41 PM
Message: and follow that up with a logic class.
you obviously cant' figure out what a HUGE stupid mistake it is to claim you can know what a lie is.
are you deleting teds post about the dispatcher being publishe last sat? that was a lie. or your own post that we can read the answers to engers questions in the dispatcher? that has been a lie so far. and will probably turn out to be a lie when you finally publisch it.
cause how could you answer those questions truthfully and retain any credibility?
what about all the lies foulks posts? his whole world is a lie. if you cant see it, then you have lost all your senses, if you ever had any.
if you delete this, which contains no lies, only opinions, then you will be shown up for what you are; a charlatan, and egomaniac, a wannabe kingmaker who can't even rite the truth of his own meetings in his own paper.
cabdriver leaders my ass! why don't you tell us who you have annointed as our leaders, george? i'd sure like to know..
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Subject: Re: My response to "Big Fat Mouth", who is changing the subject and twisting the truth (again)...
Name: pauli
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 2:47 PM
Message: mf,
how appropriate your initials are. what do you know about collective decision making? what do you base your opinions that the utcc shouldn't put their names on a placard they produced? the city does the same thing all the time. do you object to mayor daley posting his name on every piece of city crap produced cause he's 'advertising' himself? or norma reyes on the surcharge placard?
you're just jealous you havent got an org. that can accomplish anything. i wouldn't follow you or george into a bathroom, much less into some harebrained scheme to raise 20,000 from us poor ass drivers to hire a lawyer taht may or may not succeed in getting the right to form a union in 5 years or more and then having to pay more and more money to actually make a union. we need an org. NOW, mf-er!
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Subject: Re: Re: Re: I want to let drivers know what happened at the airport
Name: pauli
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 2:53 PM
Message: ted you seem like a honest guy. you know thats not how it went down last week. the drivers at the airport said george came with you, you didn't call him. why did you write it different? is george putting words in your mouth? i know he helped you before, but don't let him get you in trouble!
this is a good fight, but try to do it right, not how george is telling lyou to do it. george doesn't know how to make proper cases or fights or anything. thats why he didn't make any org. in all his years here in tha taxi industry.
he just likes news he can put in his paper that makes him look like a good guy.
ask him why he didn't put the names of the leaders in the paper? or why he asked them to sign a blank piece of paper? what kinds of leaders are so cowardly to not want to put their names in the paper or what they are planning to do to take more of our hardworking cabdrivers money?
when is the dispatcher coming out with answers to all theese questions?
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Subject: new forum policy
Name: johal
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 2:59 PM
Message: george you gotta be kidding!
there are so many lies posted on here already you didn't delete!
you know teds post about the incident at ohare last week is not true. my friend saw you and ted show up together, why would he lie, why don't you delete his post?
and why did you guys get in trouble later and argue with the poliece? did you threaten them? the police also said if you publish thier names they will ticket lots of drivers. why do you want to get us in trouble george? (this is true--i heard from 2 drivers--if you delete this your new policy is a joke)
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Subject: Re: George, what value do you need?
Name: johal
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:01 PM
Message: george came with ted to airport and threatende police and police threatended to write lots of tickets to drivers if george publish their name.
be careful of george. he has a temper and don't know how to talk to people polite.
ted is a sweethart but he also gets to angry too fast
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Subject: Re: Re: There's no point in responding - my posts keep being deleted.
Name: johal
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:02 PM
Message: george is a ego maniac and only wants to see things his way. he won't listen to critics and he wants to appoint leaders but won't name them
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Subject: Re: new forum policy
Name: mr. hernandez
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:05 PM
Message: i never saw this site before. its very confusing who is everybody.
but i did see some drivers arguing with police last week. two big round white guys. is that who you are talking about? they were very rude to the police
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Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Who Are The People In Charge, The Decision Makers, The Company Owners
Name: hassan
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:09 PM
Message: don't listen to him adam.
he doesn't know any leaders or people in charge. he wants to make them, cuz he wants to be the kingmaker.
go ask any other driver except george. in his last dispatcher he said cabdrivre leaders met but didn't name them. what kind of leaders don't have names.
i also heard from my persian friend that he wanted drivers to sign a blank piec of paper that he would write later into a declaration of unity. my friend just laughed at him
george is a joke to the cabdrivers. ha ha ha
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Subject: Re: The next Chicago Cabdriver Organization (CCO) election is November 19, 2008.
Name: hassan
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:12 PM
Message: mike
please stop making a joke out of elections and the cco. for almost one year you have 2 elections, no meeting, no organization, no platform, no goals no strategies, no campaigns no representatives except you calling your self president'. give it up anymoe already. it makes people confused and laughing at americans
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Subject: Re: Try the AUCA taxicab receipts
Name: hassan
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:13 PM
Message: another pathetic attempt by george to follow in utcc footsteps. who is ever gonna see this message? do you think potential criminals or violent drunks pay by credit cards and think about things?
so stupid.
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Subject: Re: Re: Mr. Lutfallah, please remove this post per new forum policy as it contains lies.
Name: hassan
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:15 PM
Message: george does not delete posts because he says he knows they have lies. he deletes posts he doesn't like because they have the truth about him. or opinions about him that he don't like.
give it up george. the drivers are too smart to follow you anywhere.
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Subject: Re: Peter, I warned you not to lie
Name: hassan
Date Posted: Aug 25, 08 - 3:17 PM
Message: who is george who is using language like i warned you not to lie. this is aggressive talk. police give warnings. or bullies. is george acting like a police or bully?
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WHY ARE YOU MAKING THESE POSTS USING FAKE NAMES, Peter Enger, Secretary of the UTCC?
I THOUGHT THAT WAS AGAINST YOUR "principles"?
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOUR DELIBERATE DECEPTION.
YOU ARE PRETENDING TO BE OTHER CABDRIVERS TO MAKE PEOPLE THINK THAT MANY OF US SUPPORT YOUR OPINIONS.
YOU ARE PATHETIC.
-Mike Foulks
What difference does it make if Johnny is the Man in the Moon?
