how about answering to the drivers, if not to me. it is clear these questions make you uncomfortable, but the drivers deserve the respect of your answering them nevertheless.
it is obvious you would rather i not post on this forum anymore. you should just say so, rather than deleting everything i post. i have not once said anything negative about anyone here, nor posted lies, nor racist or sexist remarks such as others whose posts you allow.
that's ok, you can't handle reasonable reasoned questions or remarks? then they'll just be taken elsewhere.
the drivers deserve to know who you determine are their "leaders" and what you have planned for them. not just the handful you pick to come to your secret meetings. so answer to them already. we will make sure that all the drivers we can reach will be informed of the questions that should be asked.
repost of questions george said he would answer
Name: peter enger, secretary, UTCC
Date Posted: Sep 5, 08 - 10:36 AM
Message: questions drivers should be asking about georges union organizing plans--AGAIN
Name: peter enger, secretary, UTCC
Date Posted: Aug 27, 08 - 2:32 AM
Message: we in the utcc are not opposed to the idea that we drivers should have the RIGHT to form a union, should we want to. there are serious questions that need to be answered about this prospect, however. we in the chicago taxi industry need to be realistic about our prospects and our chances of realizing the project as conceived by george lutfallah and the lawyer mr. geoghagan.
as an organizer who has worked tirelessly for the last year to organize cabdrivers to understand the need to come to unity and organization to fight for our rights as workers and to gain the benefits of being in an organization i believe i can speak with some authority about the immensity and difficulty of such a project.
it is not an easy task
1. who is thomas geoghagans client?
--george states that he has not hired geoghagan. why would geoghagan state that he cannot talk to anyone without george's ok, as george is his client?
2. what has he hired him to do? is it simply as a retainer? or for specific actions? if specific actions, what are those specific actions he's been hired to perform?
--not answered
3. how much has his client paid him? is it an hourly wage? has he been paid to come to the ghanaian drivers meeting and george's meeting of drivers?
--not answered
4. is it true geoghagan can only perform actions his client has hired him to perform?
--not answered
5. does george lutfallah have any experience in the areas of organizing social movements? or activism of any kind?
--not answered
6. is it true geoghagan would need $20,000 dollars as an initial fee to take on a legal action to win the right to form a union?
--george did answer this one. but here's a follow up: what are estimated costs of court costs? and what are the filing fees to actually form a union, should it ever come to pass?
7. what action would this be and who would be the litigant?
--not answered
8. what is the timeline for such an aciton?
--not answered
9. is it true that geoghagan said it may take 5 years?
--not answered
10. what is the percentage chances of winning such a legal action?
--not answered
11. is it true that geoghagan said that there is a 50% chance of winning?
--not answered
12. what is the timeline for raising $20,000 to hire geoghan?
--not answered
13. what is the legal entity who would hire him?
--kind of answered. some sort of organization that would be formed by nameless chicago cabdrivers that george has termed 'leaders'. as one who has worked for over a year now to form a viable organization, all i can say is, good luck, whoever you are. its not an easy task.
14. who would raise the money? and how? what is the plan?
--not answered
15. if some drivers at georges meeting said they would take on this responsibility, who are they? what are their names?
--not answered
16. is it true that 30% of all drivers would need to vote in favor of forming a union before it can be legally taken on? or is it 50%? (we have heard different accounts of percentage needed)
--not answered
17. how would an accountable voting action take place in the cabdriver community?
--not answered
18. who would count the votes? an independent accounting firm? how would they be paid? how much would that cost?
--not answered
here's a couple more george, mike and any other cabdriver who encounters this lawyer mr. geoghagan might want to ask:
19. can chicago cabdrivers afford to wait maybe 5 years for a successful resolution to this unnamed legal action simply for the right to form a union, and then how many more months or years to try to reach the 1000's of drivers to vote in favor of a union that would force the drivers into a union? is this a realistic appraisal of what drivers will agree to?
20. what is the plan to reach the 10,000 drivers here in chicago, who come from 60 plus nations who drive at odd hours of their own choosing, some of whom never go to the airports, or hotels or restaurants? seriously.
21. what kind of democratic process would decide FOR the drivers that this kind of union is in their interest without asking them? and then decide that they need to be forced into a union without their permission?
22. has anyone told mr. geoghagan that there already is an organization of cabdrivers in chicago who might be interested in talking to him about this project?
23. lastly, (for now)--why ONLY chicago cabdrivers? do we not care about our suburban cabdriver brothers? don't unions usually try to be inclusive of ALL workers who work in the industry they are organizing in? what is the rational for this stipulation?
George dare not make point by point responses because there is only one point -- if he answers he will be exposed for his new union scam.
How much of that 20 grand have you raised so far Big G?
A penny for your thoughts, George.
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how about answering to the drivers, if not to me. it is clear these questions make you uncomfortable, but the drivers deserve the respect of your answering them nevertheless.
it is obvious you would rather i not post on this forum anymore. you should just say so, rather than deleting everything i post. i have not once said anything negative about anyone here, nor posted lies, nor racist or sexist remarks such as others whose posts you allow.
that's ok, you can't handle reasonable reasoned questions or remarks? then they'll just be taken elsewhere.
the drivers deserve to know who you determine are their "leaders" and what you have planned for them. not just the handful you pick to come to your secret meetings. so answer to them already. we will make sure that all the drivers we can reach will be informed of the questions that should be asked.
repost of questions george said he would answer
Name: peter enger, secretary, UTCC
Date Posted: Sep 5, 08 - 10:36 AM
Message: questions drivers should be asking about georges union organizing plans--AGAIN
Name: peter enger, secretary, UTCC
Date Posted: Aug 27, 08 - 2:32 AM
Message: we in the utcc are not opposed to the idea that we drivers should have the RIGHT to form a union, should we want to. there are serious questions that need to be answered about this prospect, however. we in the chicago taxi industry need to be realistic about our prospects and our chances of realizing the project as conceived by george lutfallah and the lawyer mr. geoghagan.
as an organizer who has worked tirelessly for the last year to organize cabdrivers to understand the need to come to unity and organization to fight for our rights as workers and to gain the benefits of being in an organization i believe i can speak with some authority about the immensity and difficulty of such a project.
it is not an easy task
1. who is thomas geoghagans client?
--george states that he has not hired geoghagan. why would geoghagan state that he cannot talk to anyone without george's ok, as george is his client?
2. what has he hired him to do? is it simply as a retainer? or for specific actions? if specific actions, what are those specific actions he's been hired to perform?
--not answered
3. how much has his client paid him? is it an hourly wage? has he been paid to come to the ghanaian drivers meeting and george's meeting of drivers?
--not answered
4. is it true geoghagan can only perform actions his client has hired him to perform?
--not answered
5. does george lutfallah have any experience in the areas of organizing social movements? or activism of any kind?
--not answered
6. is it true geoghagan would need $20,000 dollars as an initial fee to take on a legal action to win the right to form a union?
--george did answer this one. but here's a follow up: what are estimated costs of court costs? and what are the filing fees to actually form a union, should it ever come to pass?
7. what action would this be and who would be the litigant?
--not answered
8. what is the timeline for such an aciton?
--not answered
9. is it true that geoghagan said it may take 5 years?
--not answered
10. what is the percentage chances of winning such a legal action?
--not answered
11. is it true that geoghagan said that there is a 50% chance of winning?
--not answered
12. what is the timeline for raising $20,000 to hire geoghan?
--not answered
13. what is the legal entity who would hire him?
--kind of answered. some sort of organization that would be formed by nameless chicago cabdrivers that george has termed 'leaders'. as one who has worked for over a year now to form a viable organization, all i can say is, good luck, whoever you are. its not an easy task.
14. who would raise the money? and how? what is the plan?
--not answered
15. if some drivers at georges meeting said they would take on this responsibility, who are they? what are their names?
--not answered
16. is it true that 30% of all drivers would need to vote in favor of forming a union before it can be legally taken on? or is it 50%? (we have heard different accounts of percentage needed)
--not answered
17. how would an accountable voting action take place in the cabdriver community?
--not answered
18. who would count the votes? an independent accounting firm? how would they be paid? how much would that cost?
--not answered
here's a couple more george, mike and any other cabdriver who encounters this lawyer mr. geoghagan might want to ask:
19. can chicago cabdrivers afford to wait maybe 5 years for a successful resolution to this unnamed legal action simply for the right to form a union, and then how many more months or years to try to reach the 1000's of drivers to vote in favor of a union that would force the drivers into a union? is this a realistic appraisal of what drivers will agree to?
20. what is the plan to reach the 10,000 drivers here in chicago, who come from 60 plus nations who drive at odd hours of their own choosing, some of whom never go to the airports, or hotels or restaurants? seriously.
21. what kind of democratic process would decide FOR the drivers that this kind of union is in their interest without asking them? and then decide that they need to be forced into a union without their permission?
22. has anyone told mr. geoghagan that there already is an organization of cabdrivers in chicago who might be interested in talking to him about this project?
23. lastly, (for now)--why ONLY chicago cabdrivers? do we not care about our suburban cabdriver brothers? don't unions usually try to be inclusive of ALL workers who work in the industry they are organizing in? what is the rational for this stipulation?
Mr. Weiss, how is introducing Mr. Geoghegan and discussing a strategy a "scam"?
I would think you are an expert at "scams", considering how you "scammed" the name of the organization whose heart and soul was Steve Wiedersberg.
Tell us, Mr. Weiss, what's the "scam" as you see it?
-Mike Foulks
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George dare not make point by point responses because there is only one point -- if he answers he will be exposed for his new union scam.
How much of that 20 grand have you raised so far Big G?
A penny for your thoughts, George.
--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
Replying to:
how about answering to the drivers, if not to me. it is clear these questions make you uncomfortable, but the drivers deserve the respect of your answering them nevertheless.
it is obvious you would rather i not post on this forum anymore. you should just say so, rather than deleting everything i post. i have not once said anything negative about anyone here, nor posted lies, nor racist or sexist remarks such as others whose posts you allow.
that's ok, you can't handle reasonable reasoned questions or remarks? then they'll just be taken elsewhere.
the drivers deserve to know who you determine are their "leaders" and what you have planned for them. not just the handful you pick to come to your secret meetings. so answer to them already. we will make sure that all the drivers we can reach will be informed of the questions that should be asked.
repost of questions george said he would answer
Name: peter enger, secretary, UTCC
Date Posted: Sep 5, 08 - 10:36 AM
Message: questions drivers should be asking about georges union organizing plans--AGAIN
Name: peter enger, secretary, UTCC
Date Posted: Aug 27, 08 - 2:32 AM
Message: we in the utcc are not opposed to the idea that we drivers should have the RIGHT to form a union, should we want to. there are serious questions that need to be answered about this prospect, however. we in the chicago taxi industry need to be realistic about our prospects and our chances of realizing the project as conceived by george lutfallah and the lawyer mr. geoghagan.
as an organizer who has worked tirelessly for the last year to organize cabdrivers to understand the need to come to unity and organization to fight for our rights as workers and to gain the benefits of being in an organization i believe i can speak with some authority about the immensity and difficulty of such a project.
it is not an easy task
1. who is thomas geoghagans client?
--george states that he has not hired geoghagan. why would geoghagan state that he cannot talk to anyone without george's ok, as george is his client?
2. what has he hired him to do? is it simply as a retainer? or for specific actions? if specific actions, what are those specific actions he's been hired to perform?
--not answered
3. how much has his client paid him? is it an hourly wage? has he been paid to come to the ghanaian drivers meeting and george's meeting of drivers?
--not answered
4. is it true geoghagan can only perform actions his client has hired him to perform?
--not answered
5. does george lutfallah have any experience in the areas of organizing social movements? or activism of any kind?
--not answered
6. is it true geoghagan would need $20,000 dollars as an initial fee to take on a legal action to win the right to form a union?
--george did answer this one. but here's a follow up: what are estimated costs of court costs? and what are the filing fees to actually form a union, should it ever come to pass?
7. what action would this be and who would be the litigant?
--not answered
8. what is the timeline for such an aciton?
--not answered
9. is it true that geoghagan said it may take 5 years?
--not answered
10. what is the percentage chances of winning such a legal action?
--not answered
11. is it true that geoghagan said that there is a 50% chance of winning?
--not answered
12. what is the timeline for raising $20,000 to hire geoghan?
--not answered
13. what is the legal entity who would hire him?
--kind of answered. some sort of organization that would be formed by nameless chicago cabdrivers that george has termed 'leaders'. as one who has worked for over a year now to form a viable organization, all i can say is, good luck, whoever you are. its not an easy task.
14. who would raise the money? and how? what is the plan?
--not answered
15. if some drivers at georges meeting said they would take on this responsibility, who are they? what are their names?
--not answered
16. is it true that 30% of all drivers would need to vote in favor of forming a union before it can be legally taken on? or is it 50%? (we have heard different accounts of percentage needed)
--not answered
17. how would an accountable voting action take place in the cabdriver community?
--not answered
18. who would count the votes? an independent accounting firm? how would they be paid? how much would that cost?
--not answered
here's a couple more george, mike and any other cabdriver who encounters this lawyer mr. geoghagan might want to ask:
19. can chicago cabdrivers afford to wait maybe 5 years for a successful resolution to this unnamed legal action simply for the right to form a union, and then how many more months or years to try to reach the 1000's of drivers to vote in favor of a union that would force the drivers into a union? is this a realistic appraisal of what drivers will agree to?
20. what is the plan to reach the 10,000 drivers here in chicago, who come from 60 plus nations who drive at odd hours of their own choosing, some of whom never go to the airports, or hotels or restaurants? seriously.
21. what kind of democratic process would decide FOR the drivers that this kind of union is in their interest without asking them? and then decide that they need to be forced into a union without their permission?
22. has anyone told mr. geoghagan that there already is an organization of cabdrivers in chicago who might be interested in talking to him about this project?
23. lastly, (for now)--why ONLY chicago cabdrivers? do we not care about our suburban cabdriver brothers? don't unions usually try to be inclusive of ALL workers who work in the industry they are organizing in? what is the rational for this stipulation?
Mr. Foulks,
OH yes, demonize me some more, baby.
For my next evil deed, I'll suck Mad Mike's brain out of his head right through his nose. Yummmie!
Mr. Mad Mike Foulks can't tell the difference between right and wrong so he has to ask others who, what, where, when, how and why.
He didn't even know he had committed one or more felonies until they explained to him that he was guilty.
He couldn't testify at his own hearing except to plead guilty, which he says was a lie now, so that his mom would bail him out - which is in the public record.
That's how he tried to squirm out of jail, but the court didn't think this was a valid argument so this motion to reverse his fake guilty plea was DENIED.
He also thinks forming a corporation is a scam. Worst of all, he thinks he really is a president and his group is not imaginary.
he thinks about this when he is marching down Michigan Avenue with his imaginary anarchist comrades.
Once again, stay out of CPTDA business Mr. cc-zero. Go preen your ears or practice hee-hawing or something instead.
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Mr. Weiss, how is introducing Mr. Geoghegan and discussing a strategy a "scam"?
I would think you are an expert at "scams", considering how you "scammed" the name of the organization whose heart and soul was Steve Wiedersberg.
Tell us, Mr. Weiss, what's the "scam" as you see it?
-Mike Foulks
--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
Replying to:
George dare not make point by point responses because there is only one point -- if he answers he will be exposed for his new union scam.
How much of that 20 grand have you raised so far Big G?
A penny for your thoughts, George.
--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
Replying to:
how about answering to the drivers, if not to me. it is clear these questions make you uncomfortable, but the drivers deserve the respect of your answering them nevertheless.
it is obvious you would rather i not post on this forum anymore. you should just say so, rather than deleting everything i post. i have not once said anything negative about anyone here, nor posted lies, nor racist or sexist remarks such as others whose posts you allow.
that's ok, you can't handle reasonable reasoned questions or remarks? then they'll just be taken elsewhere.
the drivers deserve to know who you determine are their "leaders" and what you have planned for them. not just the handful you pick to come to your secret meetings. so answer to them already. we will make sure that all the drivers we can reach will be informed of the questions that should be asked.
repost of questions george said he would answer
Name: peter enger, secretary, UTCC
Date Posted: Sep 5, 08 - 10:36 AM
Message: questions drivers should be asking about georges union organizing plans--AGAIN
Name: peter enger, secretary, UTCC
Date Posted: Aug 27, 08 - 2:32 AM
Message: we in the utcc are not opposed to the idea that we drivers should have the RIGHT to form a union, should we want to. there are serious questions that need to be answered about this prospect, however. we in the chicago taxi industry need to be realistic about our prospects and our chances of realizing the project as conceived by george lutfallah and the lawyer mr. geoghagan.
as an organizer who has worked tirelessly for the last year to organize cabdrivers to understand the need to come to unity and organization to fight for our rights as workers and to gain the benefits of being in an organization i believe i can speak with some authority about the immensity and difficulty of such a project.
it is not an easy task
1. who is thomas geoghagans client?
--george states that he has not hired geoghagan. why would geoghagan state that he cannot talk to anyone without george's ok, as george is his client?
2. what has he hired him to do? is it simply as a retainer? or for specific actions? if specific actions, what are those specific actions he's been hired to perform?
--not answered
3. how much has his client paid him? is it an hourly wage? has he been paid to come to the ghanaian drivers meeting and george's meeting of drivers?
--not answered
4. is it true geoghagan can only perform actions his client has hired him to perform?
--not answered
5. does george lutfallah have any experience in the areas of organizing social movements? or activism of any kind?
--not answered
6. is it true geoghagan would need $20,000 dollars as an initial fee to take on a legal action to win the right to form a union?
--george did answer this one. but here's a follow up: what are estimated costs of court costs? and what are the filing fees to actually form a union, should it ever come to pass?
7. what action would this be and who would be the litigant?
--not answered
8. what is the timeline for such an aciton?
--not answered
9. is it true that geoghagan said it may take 5 years?
--not answered
10. what is the percentage chances of winning such a legal action?
--not answered
11. is it true that geoghagan said that there is a 50% chance of winning?
--not answered
12. what is the timeline for raising $20,000 to hire geoghan?
--not answered
13. what is the legal entity who would hire him?
--kind of answered. some sort of organization that would be formed by nameless chicago cabdrivers that george has termed 'leaders'. as one who has worked for over a year now to form a viable organization, all i can say is, good luck, whoever you are. its not an easy task.
14. who would raise the money? and how? what is the plan?
--not answered
15. if some drivers at georges meeting said they would take on this responsibility, who are they? what are their names?
--not answered
16. is it true that 30% of all drivers would need to vote in favor of forming a union before it can be legally taken on? or is it 50%? (we have heard different accounts of percentage needed)
--not answered
17. how would an accountable voting action take place in the cabdriver community?
--not answered
18. who would count the votes? an independent accounting firm? how would they be paid? how much would that cost?
--not answered
here's a couple more george, mike and any other cabdriver who encounters this lawyer mr. geoghagan might want to ask:
19. can chicago cabdrivers afford to wait maybe 5 years for a successful resolution to this unnamed legal action simply for the right to form a union, and then how many more months or years to try to reach the 1000's of drivers to vote in favor of a union that would force the drivers into a union? is this a realistic appraisal of what drivers will agree to?
20. what is the plan to reach the 10,000 drivers here in chicago, who come from 60 plus nations who drive at odd hours of their own choosing, some of whom never go to the airports, or hotels or restaurants? seriously.
21. what kind of democratic process would decide FOR the drivers that this kind of union is in their interest without asking them? and then decide that they need to be forced into a union without their permission?
22. has anyone told mr. geoghagan that there already is an organization of cabdrivers in chicago who might be interested in talking to him about this project?
23. lastly, (for now)--why ONLY chicago cabdrivers? do we not care about our suburban cabdriver brothers? don't unions usually try to be inclusive of ALL workers who work in the industry they are organizing in? what is the rational for this stipulation?
