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Re: EXPOSING OMEGA PSI PHI

kenneth lindsey
I wanted to say that I am not offended by your website. Although I am not saying that I agree with everything you say, Keep exercising your First Amendment right, because as you indicated, it is nothing wrong with looking at something from a different perspective. I feel that the comebacks of some of these posters are very weak....lol! I, for one. did not know most of the things you have posted and will be following you very closely. • First, I want to say fully understand this is just you trying to educate people. I wouldn't call what your saying and doing lies, I would just say...... you just don't understand fully what your talking about. Dude, its really ignorant to teach so passionately on something you do not understand fully. Its like your a virgin, but at the same time you have a Phd in Sex therapy. instead of me getting more information from your site and becoming more knowledgeable to form a healthy hypothesis and conclusion I found myself irritated because you didn't have enough facts to support what you were teaching, i know without a doubt your description of omega's is totally screwed up and to e-publish something you think because of similar looking ancient relationships are wrong. You are more confused than the people that join with out fully understanding the roots. Look, believe it or not the word of GOD runs deep in me. The reason people don't wanna give you the real truth about omega or any other fraternity are not because there protecting them or there brain washed its because that particular knowledge is earned. There are people that gave up more than you ever could imagine to be apart of the groups and there not just about to hand it over to you especially with your not accurate criticism and your obnoxious sounding responses to the history you dug up and the history you got from your ex organization, trying to somehow relate it to everyone else's history. And yes you are so right when you said that most greeks would have ignore it or will send an 'emotionally-laced-with-no-rebutting-data' response. PS I typed this half sleep and in the middle of cooking dinner please pardon my typos



I am not sure where you are coming from so I endeavor and believe it is my duty to properly introduce myself. I do not go around asking for respect, not is it my duty to do so. I thought by what you wrote that you may need some help and believe it is right to do so.

Now that I have identified myself, I do not believe I am the virgin PhD you claim I am. But even if I were, the religious Jews made the same mistake about Jesus and His disciples. They felt that just because they were not educated, they couldn't teach or possess such spiritual wisdom. Not being a part of an organization does not disqualify one from being able to examine and reach conclusions about that organization. Whether someone earned through paying a fee, or getting pledged doesn't mean they know anything either. And to people who pledge and come here and complain about my tone, I ask them, did they make the same complaints under beat down conditions?

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Im an exmember of Omega Psi Phi. Im so glad that Minister Hatchett has this website. (By the way: Im the young man that Gail told you about a couple of months ago.) The Holy Spirit led me to leave the Organization because of its ANTI-CHRIST doctrine. And because of all the sin in the organization. I have a message for those who want to Join Omega and click on this link! DONT JOIN! Im going to tell you why plain and simple.

#1
Its against the Word of God to take an Oath.
Mat 5:34 But I tell you don't swear an oath at all. Don't swear an oath by heaven, which is God's throne,
Mat 5:35 or by the earth, which is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, which is the city of the great King.
Mat 5:36 And don't swear an oath by your head. After all, you cannot make one hair black or white.
Mat 5:37 Simply say yes or no. Anything more than that comes from the evil one. (NIV)

To join Omega you must take an Oath (swear). I took an oath to join. An Oath in which I swore my allegiance to the Organization. By doing this I disobeyed the Words of Jesus in the verse I just quoted.

#2 When you join Omega you will be Yoking yourself to Unbelievers. When I joined Omega I yoked or bonded myself to Unbelievers. The Word of God says this is a sin!

2Co 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever?
2Co 6:16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, "I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you,
2Co 6:18 and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty."

Remember when a person becomes a greek they are not only linked to the members on the yard but also every greek in that organization in the World! Many Omegas are confessing athesists, muslims, agnostics and will painly tell you that they are not believers in Jesus Christ. To join Omega means that you are Yoking yourself to Unbelievers. It doesn't matter if your father is saved and he is an Omega or that your Pastor or a Deacon of the church is an Omega. There are still Omegas that arent believers and by joining Omega Psi Phi you are sinning by disobeying the Words of Jesus!

#3
Omega Psi Phi roots are in freemasonry. You cannot seperate the Founders from Freemasonry. You cannot seperate the Ritual from Freemasonry. Freemasonry is not of Christ and therefore neither can Omega Psi Phi.
A trees roots will distinguish what type of fruit it will bare.

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Adultery, Homosexuality, Strife, Jealousy, Fits of Anger, Prositution, Idolatry, Selfishness, Hate, Greed, Lust, Covetessness...etc... These are only a few of the fruits that I have seen from the Tree of Omega.

Yes members of Omega Psi Phi do Community service but so do Nazis! Community service does not give anyone the right to do Evil. Besides when Omegas do community service who get the credit? Omega Psi Phi gets the credit; When a Christian does community service who gets the credit? Christ does! God wants the credit for Christians work!, not Omega!

Be serious about your Relationship to The Almighty God!
If you really want to know God's will pray that the Holy Spirit reveal the truth of what I am writing to you.

God Bless

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PRAISE GOD!!

How are you JS? It's Ms. Gray. I'm so glad that you've finally come aboard--been eagerly awaiting your contribution. I've copyrighted the radio show that we did togetherin your hometown this past August because because its so powerful. Consequently, it is being sold along with the book for a more informative and real-to-life example of what God is doing within this mass of deception. JS, email me at the address that I have posted on this sight. I need to contact your mom but lost my phone book--again. Let me know how things are going on campus!

GG

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“Whence come ye? From the outer chamber of darkness, into the Shekinah Light of Omega.”

Shekhinah (שכינה - alternative transliterations Shekinah, Shechinah, Shekina, Shechina, Schechinah) is the English spelling of the Hebrew language word that means the glory or radiance of God, or God's presence.


Where does OMEGA get this heavenly light from? Its founders that were Christians by title seemed a bit afraid to exalt Jesus as Lord and God and conveniently left his name out of scripture they used in their ritual (II Timothy 2:3- This explained on the website). How can you claim to give light when you purposely deny the Light of the World?

Why would a Christian ALLOW themselves to be told they are in darkness AGAIN? SELFISH DESIRES!!!!!!!!!

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The II Timothy 2:3 issue is explained on the GLO'S Exposed link.

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Shekinah Light of Omega!!!! WOW!

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Omega Psi Phi Fraternity's National Magazine
THE ORACLE
In Oracles the men of old
Thought purposes of gods foretold;
The poison vapors from a cave
Or sacred rustling laurels gave
A sign, while priest or priestess read
In Cryptic phrases o'er the dead
Sacrifices, which were slain
To seek what courses gods ordain

Like Oracles of old, we find
In books some mystery divine,
No sacrifice of fowl or beasts,
No chants ambiguous of priests.
But in each printed page revealed
More truth than Delphi e'er concealed.
Go booklet in Omega's name
And chronicle Omega's fame.

by Walter H. Mazyck
The History of The Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, 1911-1939, p.105.

This poem is clear proof that these men and women way back then had knowledge of the demonic realm. They understood what mythology was and what it meant. These were well educated people without the internet. But Omega, with a preacher as a founder, should have openly rebuked this poem, and given it The Oracle a godly mandate to GO in JESUS' name and CHRONICLE Christianity's fame (i.e. works done to the GLORY of GOD). But this poem and its acceptance, is of no surprise for its compromise. It has been going on since the inception of GLO's

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The Fatherhood of God and The Universal Brotherhood of Man is taught by Omega Psi Phi and others GLO's. This is a masonic and demonic principle. Why would ANY CHRSTIAN want to defend it? A principle that says that worshipping Jesus, Allah, or Vishnu are all one and the same. They are separate, but equal, and all lead to the ONE CREATOR.

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A young man decides not to pledge OMEGA one night before rollout or the beginning of his illegal process. Thank-You Jesus for those who witnessed to this young man.

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To the Omega that called me from Arkansas. Just because I am a child of God does not mean I have to allow another to control a conversation. I let you off the hook by not answering or acknowledging the issue of the Fatherhood of God and the Universal Brotherhood of Man. YOU HAD AN AGENDA AND BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU CALL ALL OF THE TIME, I IMMEDIATELY WAS AWARE OF THIS. IF YOU WERE OFFENDED AT MY TONE I APOLOGIZE. PLEASE! NEXT TIME YOU CALL, DO NOT HAVE A PERSONAL AGENDA. It was obvious from the jump that you were upset about the information on the website. Why?

And as far as the discussion about free will, how can Omega usher its members into heaven without Christ, but claim that they all have been proven by God.

If you ever decide to call back, please address whether or not the Fatherhood of God and the Universal Brotherhood of Man is Christlike or ANTICHRIST, and what makes Invictus a godly poem?

About interpretation! Self-interpretation of anything is dangerous, when it has already been given meaning. Islam has many great teachings, but anyone can self-interpret Allah and Jehovah being the same regardless of the facts. BUT WHOSE INTERPRETATION IS RIGHT? THIS LINE OF THINKING REMOVES THE NEED OF JESUS EVER CLAIMING TO BE THE ONLY WAY TO GOD. HOW MUCH INTERPRETATION IS TO JOHN 14:6 OR JOHN 3:16? IF ANYONE INTERPRETS JOHN 14:6 AS BEING ANY OTHER PERSON, THEN ARE THEY GOING TO HEAVEN OR HELL FOR BELIEIVING IN ANOTHER OTHER THAN JESUS?
AS I SAID OR HOLLERED ON THE PHONE; SELF-INTERPRETATION OF ANYTHING IS DANGEROUS WITHOUT STUDY AND PROPER FACTS. JOHN 14:6 CANNOT BE LEFT TO ONE'S OWN PRIVATE INTERPRETATION.

THE KIND OF INTERPRETATION YOU WANTED ME TO BELIEVE IN WAS THAT WHICH HAS NO FACTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THROUGH ALL OF THE LOUD TALK, THIS WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE.

To address the master of my fate and the captain of my soul, one has to know who William Ernest Henley is, WHICH YOU DID NOT; and why he wrote Invictus; WHICH YOU DID NOT. INSTEAD, YOU JUST LEARNED A POEM BECAUSE YOUR SLAVEMASTER BIG BROTHERS TOLD YOU TO. Now whose advice makes more sense? Mine or theirs. To learn something by FREE-WILL research, or by the end of a paddle, hand, fist, or foot?

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Arkansas Omega continued!
You asked me about the blueprint of the fraternity? I replied with the question, who is the architect? You did not answer, so I conceded and answered, I do not know. But now I do. It is nothing more than the Ancient Babylonian Pride of Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel 4, which is what we would call today secular humanism. The blueprint of omega is simply man's accomplishments through perserverance GIVING NO GLORY TO THE ARCHITECT, which was why I asked the question, Who is the ARCHITECT? Omega's claim that by following this blueprint that NO OMEGA will have cause to be ashamed, "when the record 'GOLDEN BOOK' is read." (Ritual of Omega Psi Phi, 1976, page 42.) The Burial Ceremony Section.

NO JESUS!!!!!!!!!!! and what is the "Golden Book"? There is no golden book mentioned in the Bible to my knowledge. They mean it to be the Lamb's Book of Life and your name does not get in it for being an Omega.

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The blueprint continued. The Master Blueprint discussed in the Omega ritual led this young man to believe that we control and must work out our own destinies and that God has not given us a Master Blueprint. WRONG! It's called the Bible. He gathers this belief based on the fact that our own intellect and seeking after knowledge will allow us to have successful lives and that the principle of scholarship will guide us into the one's "calm contemplation of the inevitable". Ritual of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity.

Who is this God that Omega speaks of? It is not Jesus. They call Him the Supreme Basileus of the Universe, which the Masons call the GAOTU (Great Architect Of The Universe.

The belief that man's intelligence can bring about success, happiness, problem solving, etc. is simply W.E.B Dubois' Talented Tenth mentality. Omega is making the same exact mistake that Adam and Eve made in the garden. Instead of following THE MASTER BLUEPRINT God had given them, they were enticed by the ability to be as gods, so they sought this FORBIDDEN KNOWLEDGE and placed ALL HUMANITY under the curse of sin. OMEGA HAS FAILED TO RECOGNIZE THIS MISTAKE AND IS A CURSED ORGANIZATION BECAUSE OF THEIR FAILURE TO SEEK THE "TRUE LAMP" GOD'S WORD, but instead seeks after the lamp of knowledge their fraternity seeks after. A lamp of knowledge with no DIVINE inspiration, but rather a demonic one. One that contains SEDUCING SPIRITS and DOCTRINES of DEVILS.

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I just had the chance to read a newer version of the Omega Psi Phi Ritual. It didn't take me long to realize that not much had changed. But what I did notice is something that I had been saying all along. Pledging teaches you to lie, the Big Brothers are the ones who encouraged it, and it has crept its way into the ritual. In a section where the five tests are given to each candidate, they are given a test of OBEDIENCE.



In one section where the five tests are given to each candidate, they are given a test of FAITH prior to the OBEDIENCE test. Before the test starts, they are told that the one thing that ALL Omegas are BOUND by is THEIR faith in God. Problem, they don't all share faith in the same God as the test of obedience will point out.




The candidate for the test of obedience is given a set of instructions by members in which they say they are going to do one thing, knowing that they will be doing another. This is LYING. This is in the ritual. LYING is not necessary for this test to work properly.




So what God are these Omega's placing their faith in? Christian, please stop and think. Whether or not your are giving the tests, you now know that your fraternity condones the practice of lying. Yet, you are BOUND by YOUR "COLLECTIVE" FAITH in God. Wow! This sounds just like Invictus; I thank whatever gods may be.............



But here's the real hitch. The first test is supposed to teach you to CONSIDER OMEGA as you talk and act with "moderation" and discretion. The second test is to teach you to have faith in your brothers, and specifically the very one leading you on your path to Omega, the Chamberlain. Then in the very next test he knows his Frat Brothers are going to LIE. When I took the tests, I didn't trust them.



The ritual states that the four cardinal principles of Omega are to teach them to think rightly and act circumspectly. As I stated long, long ago, these rituals will almost always lead one in the exact opposite direction of what they intend to teach. There is a reason for this. Whenever someone contradicts what the fraternity "TAUGHT", you can always uses EXCUSES to weasel your way out.

Example: Why do you have to be nasty que dogs? The counter-intuitive that has been placed in your mind is that you think rightly and act circumspectly, so being a little crazy is okay.

Praise Jesus,

Minister Fred Hatchett
919/278-8911

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Hello minister,
I am acutally a college student and have been approached by both alpha and omega on campus, after eading your article i feel moved to study some more, if you have a copy of the omega ritual book i would like to read the actual ritual before i jump into any deisions i might regret. thank you

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Concerned,

You need to study African History and the bible. These are two things that are better than the Omega ritual. Just become a member if you just want to view their information. You are lazy.

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@concerned replier:

Lazy? How about smart, save about a Grand, etc.

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Im considering joining Omega Psi Phi but dont know if I should join or not, if anyone has a copy of the ritual please email it it me Thanks JavasMccall@gmail.com

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I just Find it odd, if you were ever a member of OpsiPhi what's the grip? What's the pass what's oil whats the meaning of a true q dog if you would like to she'd a little light hit the email mturner_93@yahoo.col

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Omega Psi Phi
Initiation Ritual


No date

Formal Meetings of the Fraternity

At the annual or other emergency meeting of the Fraternity in Grand Conclave assembled the Grand Basileus shall be seated in the center of the platform occupying his desk. All Ex-Grand Basilel shall be seated immediately behind the Grand Basileus, while on his right shall be seated the Grand Keeper of Records and Seal and on his left shall be seated the Vice Grand Basileus and the Grand Keeper of Finances. The Grand Marshal shall occupy a seat near the Grand Basileus and shall carry out his requests quietly . The members shall be seated in the assembly hall, facing the Grand Basileus, and shall listen attentively to and take a part in, all questions that may arise and call for discussion.
They shall be expected to move about as little as possible, and quietness shall prevail during all deliberations of the Grand Conclave. The Custodian of the Peace who shall be appointed by the Grand Basileus at the beginning of the Conclave, shall be stationed at the door and shall admit only those persons who are members of the Fraternity and such other persons as have the permission of the Grand Conclave through the Grand Basileus.


Formal Meetings of the Chapters

At the regular or special meetings of the Chapters the same dignity and quietness must be observed as in the meetings of the Grand Conclave.
Seating arrangements shall, when possible, conform to the seating arrangement of the Grand Conclave─the Basileus of the Chapter occupying the seat and desk in the center, all ex-Basilel seated behind him, while the Keeper of Records and Seal and the Keeper of 'Finances occupy seats at his right and left, respectively. The Keeper of the Peace shall be stationed at the door and shall admit only those persons who are members of the Fraternity, and such other persons as have the permission of the Chapter through the Basileus.
In all cases where persons other than those members of the Fraternity are permitted to enter meetings of the Fraternity, the table containing the lights of Omega and other ritualistic emblems shall be removed from sight.


Election to Membership

The names of the candidates having been proposed they shall be .presented to the Committee on Membership, which shall ascertain their moral and educational fitness, their ability to fraternize, and such other things as may be deemed advisable. Upon favorable recommendation of this committee the candidate shall be voted upon as provided for in the Constitution and By-Laws of the Fraternity.
The Candidate being duly elected and approved by the District Representative or Grand Basileus, the Basileus shall designate a brother and instruct him to approach the candidate and ascertain whether or not the candidate desires to become a member of the Fraternity. If the candidate expresses such a desire the Fraternity pledge shall be given him for his signature and he shall be instructed to return the pledge duly executed and signed together with the initiation fee, not later than a certain hour of a day to be determined by the Chapter. This procedure effected, the candidate' s name shall be formally recorded on the records of the Chapter by the Keeper of Records and Seal. The candidate now assumes the status of a Neophyte and shall be referred to as such. Without previous knowledge of their significance, he shall be given the twenty words corresponding to the twenty pearls on the Fraternity pin and commanded to commit them to memory.
Each Neophyte shall memorize the names of our Founders who are: Edgar A. Love, Minister; Oscar J. Cooper, Physician; Frank Coleman, Professor of Physics at Howard University and Ernest E. Just (deceased), Professor of Zoology at Howard University .
The Neophyte is also required to know in detail the life of two outstanding Negroes. He is not to know the significance of the requirements until after his initiation. In concluding this phase of the Neophyte's task he is to memorize the name of one outstanding Negro in each of five fields.


Initiation

All initiations shall be held under the supervision, and control of the District Representative or a brother designated by said District Representative.
The initiatory ceremony shall he divided into an outdoor or preliminary ceremony, and an indoor or formal ceremony. If the conditions make it possible the outdoor ceremony, which should include the Neophytes mentioning the names of the Founders of the Fraternity and the detailed account of the lives of two eminent Negroes who may or may not he Omega men, this part of the ceremony may be given inside as a preliminary ceremony.
An officer to be known as the Neophyte Commandant shall he appointed by the Basileus to serve throughout the initiation for which he is appointed.
The Neophyte Commandant shall have complete charge of the arrangements and execution of the initiation, and shall be held to strict accountability to the Chapter for the details of the initiation. He shall appoint a competent number of members to assist in the successful performance of his duty and these assistants shall he referred to as Chamberlains.
The Chamberlains shall be in complete charge of the Neophyte during the initiation, at all times obeying the orders of the Neophyte Commandant. There shall be a Chamberlain for each Neophyte wherever this is possible. Each Chamberlain shall be inspected by the Neophyte Commandant to see that he has nothing that will injure the Neophyte; he shall be charged to this end, by the Neophyte Commandant before he assumes charge of his Neophyte.
The following names are suggested from which the Neophyte shall choose:
Otto L. Bonhanan of Omega─Poet, Baritone, Composer.
Geoffrey Lislet─Member of the French Academy during the 18th century.
Benjamin Banneker─Selected as a Surveyor to Help Lay Out Washington , D.C.
Carl Diton─Pianist, Eminent American Composer, Baritone, Organist, a Son of Omega.
Alexander Dumas─The Greatest Novelist of All Times.
Antar─Epic Poet of Arabia , General.
Moshoeshoe─A Nation Builder, who welded into one nation in Africa about sixty tribes that spoke sixty different languages, so that they became one people.
Terrance─Roman Playwright. .
Amenemhat I and III─Pharoahs of Egypt .
Simon the Canaanite─The Eleventh Disciple of Jesus.
John B. Russworm─The First Negro to Graduate from an American College .
George Washington Carver─Agricultural and Synthetic Chemist of Tusegee.
Alexander Pushkin─Epic Poet of Russia .
Paul Cuffee─Shipbuilder and Sea Trader; the First Actual Colonizer.
Bishop Richard Allen─Founder of the A.M.E. Church .
Bishop Daniel A. Payne─The Champion of an Educated Ministry for the A.M.E. Church and the Founder of Wilberforce University .
Hiram R. Revells─Our First Senator, from Mississippi .
David Walker─Author of "The Appeal," the most widely discussed book written by a Negro before the Civil War.
Mohammed Askie─Emperor of Timbuctu who welded together an empire more extensive than all Europe and ruled it successfully for thirty-six years.


Preliminary or Outdoor Ceremony

It is expedient that the solemnity of the initiation ceremony should begin with the preliminary ceremony. Each step taken, each act done should be solemnly impressed upon the Neophyte. This is not meant to de tract the least scintilla of amusement from the preliminary ceremony.
Each Neophyte shall be assigned a special place and time of meeting and shall he expected to report on time and await the summons from his Chamberlain. Whenever it is practicable the procedure outlined in the following paragraph shall be carried out at this point, otherwise as indicated below.
Neophytes must be absolutely quiet while being assembled and when the Neophytes have all been accounted for, at a signal from the Neophyte Commandant, each Neophyte shall be hoodwinked beyond recognition by his Chamberlain, who shall at the same time securely bind the Neophyte’s hands behind his back and place upon him a number by which he shall be known to the members of the Chapter during the initiation ceremony. With great seriousness the Chamberlain shall now give to his Neophyte one of the twenty words of the pin and caution him that this is the sacred pass word. The Neophytes shall now be cautioned under penalty of losing one of the members of their body to preserve perfect silence, and not by word or sign or symbol or writing to disclose their identity one to another to communicate the sacred pass words which have been given them.
Preparations completed, upon signal from the Neophyte Commandant, each Chamberlain shall proceed with his Neophyte in a column or file marching around and about aimlessly in order that the Neophyte blindfolded and pinioned shall lose all sense of direction and location. During this procession the Neophyte Commandant shall recite the 90th Psalm, which sets forth God's providence, complain of human frailties, Divine chastisement, brevity of life, and prays for knowledge and sensible experience of God's providence. The procession halted, the Neophyte shall now be taken through the preliminary or outdoor ceremony which shall be left to the discretion of the Neophyte Commandant of the Chapter.


Formal or Indoor Ceremony

The room of the Chapter House used for meetings should be set apart for the administering of the Oath and the Charge of the District Representative. Therein shall be placed a table covered with a white cloth, upon which table shall be placed four candles arranged in quadrangular form; within this quadrangle of light shall be placed the helmet, escutcheon, crossed swords, and glove of mail as they appear on the seal of the Fraternity. All other furniture shall be removed, and this room kept in utter darkness except for such light as may be ordered by the District Representative for the performance of his duty. Absolute silence shall be observed within this room throughout any part of the ceremony carried out therein.
Whenever possible, the various tests of the indoor ceremony shall be carried out in separate rooms, and for these separate equipment shall be named as the tests are taken up. When uncontrollable circumstances restrict as to space, the tests may be carried out in one room─the brothers being on hand to assist in the thorough exemplification of one test then in preparing the room for the other tests in succession. Under no circumstances shall more than one test be under taken in the same room at the same time.
Neophytes shall be taken through the several test individually, and no Chamberlain shall leave his Neophyte unless excused by the Neophyte Commandant, who shall appoint another brother to assume charge of the Neophyte until the excused Chamberlain return to his post.
The outdoor or preliminary ceremony complete, the Neophytes are again marched around and about and finally taken to the Chapter House through a designated entrance, at which entrance shall be placed a sentinel who shall be charged with allowing none to pass or re-pass other than those who have permission of the Basileus. When the Neophytes have all been assembled at this designated entrance, the Neophyte Commandant shall approach the door and give four distinct and audible raps; these shall be answered by a like number of raps from within; this shall be followed by an additional rap from the Neophyte Commandant and a similar rap from the sentinel within, after he has given notice of the alarm at the door to the Basileus and brothers and the Basileus has summoned the brothers to accompany him in ascertaining the cause of the alarm. The Basileus and brothers having reached the entrance, the sentinel shall partially open the door and the following dialogue shall be carried on in low but nevertheless audible tone:
Sentinel: Who be ye that dareth to intrude upon the sanctity, peace, and quietude of Omega!
Neophyte Commandant: … number of sincere admirers and friends of Omega who have long hoped for and sought for an opportunity of aligning themselves with the forces of Omega.
Sentinel: Is this of their own desire and uninfluenced by mercenary and ulterior motives!
Neophyte Commandant: It is.
Sentinel: Are they of good report?
Neophyte Commandant: They are.
Sentinel: Do they believe in the Negro!
Neophyte Commandant: They do.
Sentinel: What further token have you of their sincerity?
Neophyte Commandant: Their implicit confidence in Omega as evidenced in the trust they have reposed in us, they having placed themselves in our hands this night as we wended our way an our mission for Omega.
Sentinel: Have you made clear to them the awful penalties awaiting those who enter the sacred fold of Omega and dare to look behind?
Neophyte Commandant: I have, they with one accord are ready and willing to prove by further tests their unwavering faith and belief in the tenets of Omega.
Sentinel: You will not await the pleasure of Omega before whom I shall lay your petition.
After a moment's pause the Basileus shall distinctly say: Swing ye open, O wondrous Gates of Omega: Admit these, our friends, but let them take heed upon what they enter; let them give listening ears, to all that may be said and done, and seal within their bosoms the sacredness of the Temple of Omega.
The Neophytes shall now be admitted and assembled, still blindfolded and pinioned, into one room, the Preamble of the Fraternity Constitution shall be read to them and the list of members of the Chapter with whom they are to fraternize. The Basileus shall now ascertain from each Neophyte by number whether or not he is still desirous of becoming a member of the Fraternity. Upon receiving an answer in the affirmative, the Basileus shall thereupon summon the Chaplain to his side to lead in prayer to Elohim.
The office of prayer affected, the Basileus shall order the indoor ceremony begun, saying to the Chamberlains: Brothers, take these friends, and in a manner peculiar to Omega find out beyond reasonable doubt whether they measure up to the ideals of our beloved Fraternity. When you are satisfied with their proficiency, and have sufficient proof of their fidelity you will bring them to me as pure gold from the crucible of trials that sorely beset their path. Friends, I commend to you courage and commit you to the trust and care of my brothers. Pass on ….
The members shall now proceed to exemplify the tests, administering them to the Neophytes individually.
They are as follows:
1. Discretion. 2. Faith. 3. Obedience. 4. Endurance. 5. Courage.


First Test

Discretion: The Chamber lain shall now escort his Neophyte into a room with due solemnity and dignity (The brothers in this room shall be furnished wit h a paper containing the pass words furnished each Neophyte by number.) On reaching the room the Neophyte shall be seated at a table and spoken to encouragingly by the members; he shall be asked to write his name and other things the Neophyte Commandant might suggest. Having done this, the Neophyte shall be asked to write the fictitious pass word which was communicated to him. If he obeys, the moment .he finishes writing the last letter of the word the Chamberlain shall throw him to the floor, denouncing him, and expressing great surprise and indignation that the Neophyte has broken this, his very first obligation.
Threats of the actual bodily harm shall now come from the members while above all voices shall be heard that of the Neophyte Commandant who shall say ill harsh tones: Brothers, we shall brand him so that every loyal Son of Omega may know him as a man bereft of honor!
A rush is now made for the Neophyte while one of the members shall make an earnest, prayful and sincere plea for forgiveness of the Neophyte, whereupon the Neophyte Commandant shall give the following talk on the meaning of discretion and the Neophyte shall be forgiven and with caution passed on to the next test. Heat a piece of iron; hold it close to candidate's body, then slap on a piece of ice.
My friend, you have been guilty of lack of discretion. To the uninitiated and to those who spend but superficial thought upon the significance of the meaning of the term "Discretion," it might imply something of timidity or lack of decision; it might seem a sign of lack of courage. To the expressions it implies nothing of timidity and denotes true courage and common sense.
The crux of the whole matter is that life itself should be a series of attempts to accomplish specific projects. If these projects are honorable, and no true Omega man will engage in any but all honourable project, the none may well devote the best that is in him of mind, soul and body to its final accomplishment.
Discretion requires that in the accomplishment of our project no innocent man, be he brother or not, shall be wronged by our activities.
Discretion implies a knowledge of and recognition of limitations as well as capabilities. Discretion demands that you keep constantly in mind those things which may help you, that you may practice them, and those which may hurt you ill order that you may with honor avoid them.
You have failed to avoid that which would hurt you. You, in violation of your promise and of the instructions given you, have written the mystic word and deserve the penalty which our law provides.
But we as Sons of Omega, have learned to temper justice with mercy, and on condition that you commit no further indiscretion we forgive you.
Continue on and be discreet.
If the Neophyte does not write as requested or demanded the Neophyte Commandant shall say the following: Friend, I must commend you, for in the midst of threats and bodily violence you have been discreet, you have kept your word, you have shown that with you promises are sacred and binding, you have passed the first test required of all Omega men.
As an example of a man of discretion, which means saying the right thing in the right way, at the right time and place, I remind you of Booker Taliaferro Washington ; he could plead for the uplift of his people even in the presence of his enemies.
He showed them their weaknesses, yet they gave him a helping hand. He won the North and he won the South. As you may well know, Tuskegee Institute is the monument erected to his honor and glory.
Discretion, however, is but for the first step towards understanding the mysteries of Omega, so I must prepare you for the next unfoldments. Cling to me, I will be your guide.
Commandant leads the Neophyte out.


Second Test

Faith: Neophyte Commandant: Friend, having gone thru the first test, you come to the second, which is a test of your faith.
The Scriptures say, "Without faith it is impossible to please God." Without faith it is also impossible to please man. Business is built upon faith; schools are built upon faith; churches are built upon faith; homes are built upon faith.
The stories of David and Jonathan and of Damon and Pythias reveal the faith of friend in friend.
I shall now tell you a story of the Negro appearing in Brother Carter G. Woodson's History of the Negro Church, which sets forth the kind of faith you must show tonight and the kind of faith Omega expects of her sons to have ill another.
In the year 1809 there lived in the South a Negro slave by the name of Burrows, who believed that he was called to pr each. As he had the gift of eloquence and great spiritual powers, many encouraged him to exercise his gifts. He never gave his word unless he meant to keep it. In short, his word was his bond.
Two of his friends, free Negroes, who lived in the South had so much faith in his ability and in his promises that they went to Burrows' master and bound themselves over to him for a period of six month s, in order that Burrows might go north and preach, and in so doing obtain funds with which to purchase their freedom.
Had Burrows not returned within six months, the two free Negroes were to he slaves forever or until they could by extra work accumulate funds with which to purchase their freedom.
Burrows, however, returned before the expiration of the six months the two friends never were uneasy about Burrows' return. They believed that only death would keep him from coming back.
This is the kind of faith you are to have in your brothers and this is the kind of faith you are to inspire them to have in you.
Faith: The room shall be darkened, superfluous furniture removed, and the Neophyte conducted therein. Such questions are here asked him and answers exacted as shall give theoretical proof of his faith in those he calls friends. He shall hereup on be offered a pill (containing Methylene Blue) and told to swallow it. If he disobeys, the pill shall be forced down his throat under threat of severing his head from his body. This done, one of the members within hearing of the Neophyte shall exclaim: Alas brother, you have made a terrible mistake; the pill you gave our friend is from the box which contains poison. By this pill his career is cut short, and he is thereby ushered prematurely into eternity. Here all members shall go into a panic calling for help, doctor, and sending word to his relatives and arranging for details of his funeral and assuring him of their friendship even to the grave. He shall then be made to swallow quinine, being told that it is an antidote to the poison given him.


Third Test

Obedience: Neophyte Commandant: Friend, you have passed the test of Discretion and the test of Faith but before you can become a brother, you must meet another test.
The Negro who well exhibits how you must face this test is the late Colonel Charles Young, of the United States Army and a Son of Omega.
Colonel Young at the time of the World War was the best strategist in our army. For this reason he should have been chosen to lend the Ninety-Second Division; but with the South in the saddle, It seemed that America did not desire to have a Negro general; for such Colonel Young would have become had he been sent to France . To prove his physical fitness, he rode his favorite horse from his home town in Ohio , to Washington , D.C.
However, he received orders to go to Africa, while Ballou, of Georgia , was put at the head of the Negro Division.
Colonel Young knew that he could not .a second time stand the hard environment of Africa; be could have lived in France , but America sent him to Africa .
Colonel Young made no reply. He went to Africa and died.
The Neophyte shall be conducted in to a darkened room into which there shall previously be placed a couch, a dagger or knife, and a dummy breast.
The Neophyte is given the dagger to examine and hold in his right hand in a position for stabbing. A member shall lie up on the couch with his left breast bared of clothing, and the Neophyte shall be told to feel and interpret what is felt. He shall be made to realize what is felt is human flesh upon the region of the heart, and told to get his distance, for his is the duty of driving to the hilt, the dagger in his hand, into the breast he has just recognized.
The members shall then quietly step aside, and the dummy breast substituted. The Neophyte shall now be commanded to stab. If he fails to stab, the hand clutching the dagger shall be made to execute the command. Piercing groans and cries of murder shall be made by the members, while same shall improvise means of getting the murderer from the grasp of the law. Under this guise the Neophyte shall be conducted to the next test.


Fourth Test

Endurance Test: Let the Neophyte be stripped to the waist. Then have him stand so that his legs and outstretched arms will tend to form the letter X. While he holds this position, the brothers should tickle the Neophyte with a brush or a feather. Use anything that will cause a strange feeling. While this is going on the Neophyte must keep his hands and arms elevated. He must not change his position. While the Neophyte holds this position, paint on his breast with iodine the capital letters that begin the name of our Fraternity.
Also while he holds this position, tell him the story of Frederick Douglass as told by John W.
Cromwell in his "The Negro in American History" or some other book that emphasizes the hardships of Douglass. Tell him how his mother walked twelve miles back, doing this for many days. Tell of his being beaten many times.
If the Neophyte lowers his hand, caution him to keep them up or take the consequences. At the end of the story the Neophyte Commander shall make the following statement: Friend, the Apostle Paul said to the young man he was training, Timothy, endure hardness as a good soldier. Several can be given this fourth test at the same time.


Fifth Test

Courage: Neophyte Comm

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Can you come around and introduce yourself so we can meet you?

Instant Messenger: maybe u should come around and introduce yourself so we can meet you yourself

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was this directed towards me?

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what's up Javas? give me a call when you get a chance 919/278-8911

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I received some emails from two ques. I am going to give them in their entirety. Que 2 was copied on the first email and did not respond until I did.

Que 1
Dearest Brother or Sister: I don't know how to properly address you as your identity is veiled under your organization/church's name, but I wanted to reach out to you in response to some of the things you have on your website. I can't speak to the level or sincerity of your faith, as you cannot speak to mine, but what I can speak to is your misplaced denunciation of Omega Psi Phi. The portions of our ritual you selectively misquoted are taken out of context, and (to the educated eye) are laughable as points of argument; my concern is for those who have neither listened to, nor live by the tenets of our ritual. Let me give offer some historical accuracies, and hopefully a desire to seek the full truth before publishing supposition and subjective opinion.

Omega Psi Phi was founded by, along with three other great men, Bishop Edgar A. Love. Bishop Love was the son of Rev. Julius Love - a Methodist Minister, and Susie Love - herself a licensed minister and the first female graduate of Morgan College. Bishop Love received Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Divinity degrees from Howard University, a Bachelor of Sacred Theology from Boston University School of Theology, and was conferred a Doctorate of Divinity from Morgan College. He served as Pastor of several churches in Washington, DC and Maryland before being called to serve as a Chaplain in the US Army during World War I. After being honorably discharged, he became Professor of History and Bible Studies at Morgan College. God called him to Pastor several congregations in Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and again in Maryland before being tapped as District Superintendent of the Washington Conference of the Methodist Church, the Methodist Department of Negro Work, and was elected as Bishop of the segregated Central Conference of the Methodist Church. He even came out of retirement to serve as Bishop of the Atlantic Coast Area (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and Mississippi).

Bishop Love was the first Grand Basileus of Omega, and was oft quoted as saying, "religion is life in God and should be the guiding force in all affairs". Before his death, at the 52nd Grand Conclave in your home state, Bishop Love said regarding his career, "I efforted to ensure the Church, wherever I was, functioned as a community center for the people of the neighborhood, as well as a temple of worship for the most high God." Does this sound like a man who would endorse, let alone birth, an organization founded on and/or based in idolatry?

Clearly, you have obtained a copy of our ritual, so it would be a good representative of fair balance if you would also inform your readers that it fully quotes Hebrews 11:6, and references the Apostle Paul and Timothy when speaking of a good soldier (pretty shady how you chose to leave that part out). Bishop Love penned the inclusion of "Fatherhood of God" and "Almighty God" throughout the ritual. You also selectively failed to mention references to the friendship of David and Jonathan... the very basis of our fraternal motto, and the founder's blatant plagiarism of Ruth 1:16. I took my oath to Omega with my right hand on the Bible, and joined with my new Brothers in a prayer immediately following my initiation... an act I have repeated many times with young brothers I helped bring into the fold of Omega. I have not attended a Fraternity meeting that did not open with prayer, and even as we hold our Grand Basileus (National President) in high esteem, even he must kneel before the power of the Supreme Basileus (God).

While it is true that the ritual does reference Antar, a Muslim, does not the Bible reference Ishmael... the Father of Islam? Should then we denounce Genesis 17 which says, "And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation"... let's be real here. Cherry picking is a literary fallacy, and is called confirmation bias in legal circles - you would be well served to heed Ephesians 4:25 before your next attempt at evangelism.



Min. H's Response
Firstly, my identity is not veiled. My name and phone number are on the site. As for your comments, they lack context, substance, and a biblical worldview. When I get to a desktop, I will fully explain these issues. Your comments about. In making assumptions about my Greek affiliation, you have made quite an error. As for my personal information, 919/278-8911 is my phone number.

You accuse me of cherry picking, yet you speak from a position of ignorance as far as I am concerned. And by the way, since when does a person have to be affiliated with an organization to understand it? Don't know the name of that logical fallacy, it may not even be one, but assumption is a terrible way to go about lodging a position.


Que 2's response:
This a truly sad commentary. No one cares about your opinion regarding their personal choices. So why comment? Here's why. I suspect that you are seeking to have this website generate marketing and advertising sales. The demographic you are attacking represents the highest earners of the largest consuming public within the US. The fact that you introduce religion into your argument but don't have a valid informed point of view makes you a Pharisee, and with that you need your table turned over...We as black Greeks preserve our secrecy so that we can gauge the distance of the unworthy from that of the initiated. You knocked at the service entrance of which requires a key. The problem is no one but an uninitiated knocks at that door. And if it were to open and the full light of those behind it were to STRIKE your eyes, you would do everything within your power to close it, close back again. I find it sophomoric that rather than behave like an adult and truly find out about the members of the Divine Nine, you fly into a tantrum because you have not understood the quality of thought necessary to present yourself as one worthy of truly receiving answers to the questions that you beg answers to.


Min. H's Response:
Dude, my book is free on the website. You say no one cares, but I personally know and/or have had some sort of personal contact with hundreds of denounced Greeks, many of whom discussed many others who had denounced as well. As for wage earning, it does not equate to wisdom and knowledge concerning that money. Instead of owning hotels to have national meetings, you pay people to have them, when Greeks could own the hotels and generate money throughout the year.

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Que 1's Response:
Brother or sister (you still haven't identified that), I'm glad my comments have touched a nerve. I pray that it does so to the degree that, in time, you will look upon them in the spirit with which they were offered - truth. I made no assumptions as to your affiliation, nor does it particularly matter. What I can safely deduce is that you are not a member of Omega Psi Phi, hence my admonition that you equitably reference my organization.

I gave clear examples of your cherry picking - no accusations involved. Read your posting about Omega to refresh your memory, but I know nobody likes to hear someone call their baby ugly. People like you, and political organizations and ministries like yours specialize in appealing to the uneducated and gullible - I don't knock the hustle, just know there are those among us who know better, and have no problem telling your baby is indeed ugly.

Concerning my "Biblical world view", I'm an Acts 1:8 guy - there's enough foolishness in Jerusalem and Judea (your website is an testament to that) without worrying about Samaria and the ends of the earth. I'll leave "world views", or whatever new pseudo-theological catchphrase they're parroting on TBN, to you and yours.

We don't need to talk, and I don't want a pen pal. Your points have been made, as I pray have mine. It is evidenced that nothing I could say would ever change your mind, but I pray one day the Lord will.


Que 2's Response:
Internet income is driven by clicks not book sales, clicks that lead to views of advertisement posted on your web page. And I intend to stop those clicks before you can sell them off. And how we spend our pocket money isn't your business. When we have conventions, it is to get away from our daily grind, not to exploit, which is what the unworthy tend to do, view everything as a money making opportunity the gathering of like minded people.

The problem I have with folk trying to force their religious beliefs on people is for some strange reason these often poorly educated induce the highest levels of intellectual prowess to regress intellectually so they can "Receive" the word. God is the word and the word is god- who is with us. I try to keep my beliefs ???, don't expose them to nonsense. However, I will offer this: John 8:44, You are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father you will do for he was a murderer in the beginning and abodes not in the truth; when he speaketh a lie he speaketh his own for he is a lie and the father of it. Come to the front door and ring the bell.


Min. H's Response:
Both of you are speaking out of ignorance and error. I am going to enjoy picking these emails apart at my earliest convenience.

You use words like truth, and phrases like the fatherhood of God, having no real idea what they mean. While you all uphold your organizations to be something to behold, among the supposed intelligent, the issue of hazing still reigns supreme. The biggest internal squabble among Greeks is paper and real.

Since I started exposing Greek organizations, they have become less relevant, more foolish, and as for the black ones, they have no impact on the real issues facing the black community.

I actually spoke at the University of Houston on the very subject of exposing Greeks. It's funny that almost everywhere I go they tell their pledges not to come. The pledges they are illegally hazing.

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This is my full response to Que 1
Now here is my full response.

Que 1
Dearest Brother or Sister: I don't know how to properly address you as your identity is veiled under your organization/church's name, but I wanted to reach out to you in response to some of the things you have on your website.


Min. H
Everyone else who has come to this website knows my affiliation, name, and how to contact me.


Que 1
I can't speak to the level or sincerity of your faith, as you cannot speak to mine, but what I can speak to is your misplaced denunciation of Omega Psi Phi. The portions of our ritual you selectively misquoted are taken out of context, and (to the educated eye) are laughable as points of argument; my concern is for those who have neither listened to, nor live by the tenets of our ritual. Let me give offer some historical accuracies, and hopefully a desire to seek the full truth before publishing supposition and subjective opinion.


Min. H
An educated eye would have been well able to figure out who I was, what I WAS a member of, and have already tried to place doubt as to my knowledge and credentials, not even knowing what they are. Notice below are not really his own words


Que 1
Omega Psi Phi was founded by, along with three other great men, Bishop Edgar A. Love. Bishop Love was the son of Rev. Julius Love - a Methodist Minister, and Susie Love - herself a licensed minister and the first female graduate of Morgan College. Bishop Love received Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Divinity degrees from Howard University, a Bachelor of Sacred Theology from Boston University School of Theology, and was conferred a Doctorate of Divinity from Morgan College. He served as Pastor of several churches in Washington, DC and Maryland before being called to serve as a Chaplain in the US Army during World War I. After being honorably discharged, he became Professor of History and Bible Studies at Morgan College. God called him to Pastor several congregations in Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and again in Maryland before being tapped as District Superintendent of the Washington Conference of the Methodist Church, the Methodist Department of Negro Work, and was elected as Bishop of the segregated Central Conference of the Methodist Church. He even came out of retirement to serve as Bishop of the Atlantic Coast Area (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and Mississippi).

Bishop Love was the first Grand Basileus of Omega, and was oft quoted as saying, "religion is life in God and should be the guiding force in all affairs". Before his death, at the 52nd Grand Conclave in your home state, Bishop Love said regarding his career, "I efforted to ensure the Church, wherever I was, functioned as a community center for the people of the neighborhood, as well as a temple of worship for the most high God." Does this sound like a man who would endorse, let alone birth, an organization founded on and/or based in idolatry?



Min. H
There is no mention of him being a 32nd degree Mason, a well-known idolatrous organization, of which many tenets in the ritual are based as we will see below. There are many with these credentials that are known false prophets and teachers, so I would not base the credibility of an organization on the foundation of men.


Que 1
Clearly, you have obtained a copy of our ritual, so it would be a good representative of fair balance if you would also inform your readers that it fully quotes Hebrews 11:6, and references the Apostle Paul and Timothy when speaking of a good soldier (pretty shady how you chose to leave that part out).


Min. H
He must not have read the whole thread. From my site and my own words, “Its founders that were Christians by title seemed a bit afraid to exalt Jesus as Lord and God and conveniently left his name out of scripture they used in their ritual” II Timothy 2:3. These is the good soldier scripture. In the 1934, 1952, and 1976 ritual, it is written as, “endure hardness as a good soldier”. The ritual leaves out, “OF JESUS CHRIST”, PURPOSELY. Why????? In the explanation of the test of endurance it states, to endure all things for Omega and to share in Omega’s hardships and misfortunes. So what these fine Christian men in Omega, including the Bishop, should have quoted was’ “ENDURE HARDNESS AS A SOLDIER OF OMEGA”.

The same goes for the other scripture referenced above. IT ALSO POINTS TO OMEGA, FAITH IN OMEGA AND ITS BROTHERS, A FAITH SO STRONG THAT YOU COULD TRUST THEM WITH YOUR DEEP HEARTFELT SECRETS.

So who is leaving out context here? You see, he has to leave out the details in order to be obedient to Omega. The five tests he took all brainwashed him and many other to actually become slaves to the fraternity.




Que 1
Bishop Love penned the inclusion of "Fatherhood of God" and "Almighty God" throughout the ritual. You also selectively failed to mention references to the friendship of David and Jonathan... the very basis of our fraternal motto, and the founder's blatant plagiarism of Ruth 1:16.



Min. H
I did not fail to mention them. From this thread, “The Fatherhood of God and The Universal Brotherhood of Man is taught by Omega Psi Phi and others GLO's. This is a masonic and demonic principle. Why would ANY CHRSTIAN want to defend it? A principle that says that worshipping Jesus, Allah, or Vishnu are all one and the same. They are separate, but equal, and all lead to the ONE CREATOR.”

The Jonathan and David story goes back to the same theme. The entire teaching is to have faith in your brothers. It has nothing really to do with their friendship, except to use its strength as an example for how you should be toward other brothers. THE FALLACY AND FOOLISHNESS IS THAT THEY GREEKS BELIEVE A HAZING PROCESS AND 4-52 WEEKS CAN BRING ABOUT THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP. THEY ARE SADLY MISTAKEN.

And I am so glad you brought up Ruth 1:16-

And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God:

Ruth was speaking of Jehovah ALONE. It is a well know fact that when pledging there are guys of various religious beliefs. The use of this scripture is completely pluralistic in nature. ANY GOD CAN BE ASSUMED HERE. So Que 1, if Allah is your frat brother’s God, IS HIS GOD YOUR GOD????????????

The Fatherhood of God and the Universal Brotherhood of Man! Remember above when I said where tenets of the ritual came from? Well, masonry is not where they originate, but came from and/or were accepted by the founders, 3 of 4 which are know to be masons. I did discuss this in this thread as well.

“The Fatherhood of God and The Universal Brotherhood of Man is taught by Omega Psi Phi and others GLO's. This is a masonic and demonic principle. Why would ANY CHRISTIAN want to defend it? A principle that says that worshipping Jesus, Allah, or Vishnu are all one and the same. They are separate, but equal, and all lead to the ONE CREATOR.”



Que 1
I took my oath to Omega with my right hand on the Bible, and joined with my new Brothers in a prayer immediately following my initiation... an act I have repeated many times with young brothers I helped bring into the fold of Omega. I have not attended a Fraternity meeting that did not open with prayer, and even as we hold our Grand Basileus (National President) in high esteem, even he must kneel before the power of the Supreme Basileus (God).



Min. H
Who is that God? What is his Name? You see everyone, this is what happens as a result of being a part of an organization that does not honor God, and teach its members to think biblically. He is trying to defend Omega by using OMEGA’s principles, NOT BIBLICAL ONES.




Que 1
While it is true that the ritual does reference Antar, a Muslim, does not the Bible reference Ishmael. the Father of Islam? Should then we denounce Genesis 17 which says, "And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation"... let's be real here. Cherry picking is a literary fallacy, and is called confirmation bias in legal circles - you would be well served to heed Ephesians 4:25 before your next attempt at evangelism.



Min. H
I do not believe a response was necessary, as I already previously responded to it with one exception. I give you your own warning, "you would be well served to heed Ephesians 4:25 before your next attempt at evangelism." Que 1

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To sit here and breakdown what this frat does shows you all are un-Godly, everyday you wake up you commit sins unto which you must repent, of course you can take scriptures out and say their principles and doctrines are not GODLY but the contents of the Word Of God is to be read and taken in its entirety not broken up to fit certain circumstances, because in that case the bible also says not to judge others and not to speak against them. All the Omega men I know are great men, great fathers and husbands and all are MEN OF GOD, I just attended a funeral of one of my middle school teachers who was very much in tune with God and had extraordinary faith and touched many lives with his great personality and guess what he was an Omega.

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Sir, you speak of judging, yet that is the very thing you did in your post.

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JS,

YOU ARE NOT AN EX MEMBER OF OMEGA PSI PHI. YOU ARE A LIAR AND A PERPETRATOR. Write me back at my email address so we can exchange phone numbers and prove such.


You've gotten on here and shared nothing by cross referencing some random rants between Freemasonry and Omega that made no sense and contained no validity whatsoever.

Email me so we can talk.

Biznezbruh@yahoo.com
Solo-Sp'04-QK

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All of this back and Forth nonsense is crazy people are perping Masonic and D-9 ORGS
Yes the rituals go against the bible and I'm glad that it is being put out there but some ppl who belong to these ORGS prolly
Will never see it from the outside looking in so just do as I do PERP can't go wrong with thats I mean everything is out on the Internet ans I'm sure your saying "If I run into a perp I'm gonna do this and that" but why have violence towards Someone else wearing your Letters you earned? Love, Just, Coleman and Cooper wouldn't approve of violence lol "Together Let us Live if need be together let us die"

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Larry jones
All of this back and Forth nonsense is crazy people are perping Masonic and D-9 ORGS
Yes the rituals go against the bible and I'm glad that it is being put out there but some ppl who belong to these ORGS prolly
Will never see it from the outside looking in so just do as I do PERP can't go wrong with thats I mean everything is out on the Internet ans I'm sure your saying "If I run into a perp I'm gonna do this and that" but why have violence towards Someone else wearing your Letters you earned? Love, Just, Coleman and Cooper wouldn't approve of violence lol "Together Let us Live if need be together let us die"


"All of this back and Forth nonsense is crazy people are perping Masonic and D-9 ORGS"

Min. H
They perp at their own risk. I have stated here that perping can get you hurt, and yes, why would a member hurt a person for doing that? That's one of those million dollar questions. Members have their reasons for it, but it does not pass the smell test.


"Yes the rituals go against the bible and I'm glad that it is being put out there but some ppl who belong to these ORGS prolly
Will never see it from the outside looking in"


Min. H
Do you mean that a member won't be able to take an objective look at their organizations? Just ask the 100's, probably 1000's who have denounced their organizations on the basis of a biblical worldview.



"so just do as I do PERP can't go wrong with thats I mean everything is out on the Internet ans I'm sure your saying "If I run into a perp I'm gonna do this and that" but why have violence towards Someone else wearing your Letters you earned? Love, Just, Coleman and Cooper wouldn't approve of violence lol "'Together Let us Live if need be together let us die'"


Min. H
Here's where I disagree with many who look at their founders with reverence, borderline worship, to downright bowing down at the altar. Those men and women were knowledgeable of the hazing very early on and decided to do next to nothing about it. If you notice, history books only discuss hazing as a negative aspect of fraternity life. Another thing I notice in the history books is that the brutality of hazing is not discussed until the 1950's. But the brutality of the process was just as normal as waking up in the morning. 1914 is the earliest record of this process to be known and ACCEPTED. So where were the founders??????????

To be continued!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Lol....you CAT that's all

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K.O. MARTIN
Lol....you CAT that's all


And that's all I expect from supposedly intelligent men. But I will tell you what CAT is; it's beating up boys who basically know better than to fight back all for the sake of brotherhood. If this is the best way you all perpetuate brotherhood and lifelong bonds, then that's real CAT.

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anti-christ from taking an oath? okay.

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Mike Chill
anti-christ from taking an oath? okay.


Did I say that Mike? But we do need to be careful what we say and what we promise to do. Here's how the Bible in many areas speaks of an oath and how GLO's employ these exact same methods.

One should never take the type of oaths warned against in scripture at any time. It's not to say that a believer never has and never will, but it does not make right either. The things below are warnings and commands for what believers should and should not do.


JAMES 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation. Greek for condemnation here is hypocrisy. WHO WANTS TO MAKE THEMSELVES A HYPOCRITE. YET MANY, WHEN TAKING THESE OATHS KNOW THEY ARE NOT AND PLAN NOT TO DO SO. THEY ARE JUST WAITING FOR THE CEREMONY TO BE OVER TO GET THOSE LETTERS AND BE A PART OF THE IN CROWD.

THE WORD OATH IN THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE COMES FROM THE GREEK (horkos) WHICH MEANS,
“A fence, enclosure, or that which restrains a person.

The Lord’s command in Matthew 5:33 was a condemnation of the minute and arbitrary restrictions imposed by the scribes in the matter of adjurations by which God’s Name was profaned.”

An adjuration (horkizo-Greek)is, ”to cause to swear, to lay under the obligation of an oath.”



These are the same type of oaths GLO’s have their initiates perform. Look at the words restrain, obligation, restrictions, and enclosure. All of these words are synonymous with bondage. Bondage is of the Devil. HOW DOES A BELIEVER CLAIM TO BE FREE FROM THE BONDAGE OF THE LAW, AND YET PLACE THEMSELVES UNDER AN EVEN WORSE BONDAGE? AT LEAST WITH THE BONDAGE OF THE LAW, THE LAW IS THE SCHOOL MASTER, A GUARDIAN TO HELP US UNTIL CHRIST. ONCE WE HAVE JESUS, WE ARE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH, AND SHOULD NO LONGER PLACE OURSELVES INTO OTHER FORMS OF BONDAGE.

The word FORSWEAR in the Greek is(epiorkeo) which means,“to swear falsely.”

The word SWEAR in the Greek is (omnumi) which means, “accompanied by that by which one swears.”

In other words, they get you to swear to certain terms with certain conditions. In MATTHEW 5:34, notice the person must swear by something. The word forswear in verse 33 is used, based on the fact of man swearing by something he cannot keep.

There are some examples of oaths on this discussion board. I ask that you read them and come to your own conclusions.

Thanks for posting Mike!!!!

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Minister, I am responding to the portion of one of your posts where you said the following:
And I am so glad you brought up Ruth 1:16-

And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God:

Ruth was speaking of Jehovah ALONE. It is a well know fact that when pledging there are guys of various religious beliefs. The use of this scripture is completely pluralistic in nature. ANY GOD CAN BE ASSUMED HERE. So Que 1, if Allah is your frat brother’s God, IS HIS GOD YOUR GOD????????????


In response that comment:
I am first and foremost a Christian, and I am an active member of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity Inc. In answer to your question "If my frat brother's God is Allah, is his God my God?"...actually, the answer is Yes. Allah, in Arabic, translates literally to "the God", and refers to the same God that Abraham worshiped. Since he (Abraham) is considered to be the father of monotheistic faiths (Islam, Judaism, and Christianity), the accepted school of thought is that the early followers of each of these faiths worshiped the same God.

Your post assumes that Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God. They (We) do. They just don't believe the same things about that ONE GOD. I won't insult your intelligence by explaining to a minister the differences between Christian and Muslim beliefs. I will say this though, that the core difference between Christians and Muslims is the same as the difference between Christians and Jews...in that neither Jews nor Muslims recognize the Trinity, though they both recognize Jesus as important. SO, does your question have any relevance if it is changed to this...If Elohim is your frat brother's God, is his God your God??

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Inspector12
Minister, I am responding to the portion of one of your posts where you said the following:
And I am so glad you brought up Ruth 1:16-

And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God:

Ruth was speaking of Jehovah ALONE. It is a well know fact that when pledging there are guys of various religious beliefs. The use of this scripture is completely pluralistic in nature. ANY GOD CAN BE ASSUMED HERE. So Que 1, if Allah is your frat brother’s God, IS HIS GOD YOUR GOD????????????


In response that comment:
I am first and foremost a Christian, and I am an active member of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity Inc. In answer to your question "If my frat brother's God is Allah, is his God my God?"...actually, the answer is Yes. Allah, in Arabic, translates literally to "the God", and refers to the same God that Abraham worshiped. Since he (Abraham) is considered to be the father of monotheistic faiths (Islam, Judaism, and Christianity), the accepted school of thought is that the early followers of each of these faiths worshiped the same God.

Your post assumes that Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God. They (We) do. They just don't believe the same things about that ONE GOD. I won't insult your intelligence by explaining to a minister the differences between Christian and Muslim beliefs. I will say this though, that the core difference between Christians and Muslims is the same as the difference between Christians and Jews...in that neither Jews nor Muslims recognize the Trinity, though they both recognize Jesus as important. SO, does your question have any relevance if it is changed to this...If Elohim is your frat brother's God, is his God your God??


I want you to seriously do some study on Jehovah and Allah being the same God, and when you do consider one question; DOES ALLAH HAVE A SON?

Later I plan to dissect the remainder of your post.

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Minister, I am responding to the portion of one of your posts where you said the following:
And I am so glad you brought up Ruth 1:16-

And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God:

Inspector12
Ruth was speaking of Jehovah ALONE. It is a well know fact that when pledging there are guys of various religious beliefs. The use of this scripture is completely pluralistic in nature. ANY GOD CAN BE ASSUMED HERE. So Que 1, if Allah is your frat brother’s God, IS HIS GOD YOUR GOD????????????


Min. H
I am glad we agree on the plurality of these organizations. Religious plurality is not a Christian principle.


Inspector12
In response that comment:
I am first and foremost a Christian, and I am an active member of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity Inc. In answer to your question "If my frat brother's God is Allah, is his God my God?"...actually, the answer is Yes. Allah, in Arabic, translates literally to "the God", and refers to the same God that Abraham worshiped. Since he (Abraham) is considered to be the father of monotheistic faiths (Islam, Judaism, and Christianity), the accepted school of thought is that the early followers of each of these faiths worshiped the same God.


Min. H
Please show proof of this as it is obvious that Judaism, Islam, and Christianity accepted this school of thought. The Bible certainly does not accept this school of thought. Islam certainly does not accept many tenets of Judaism and Christianity.



Inspector12
Your post assumes that Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God.


Min. H
This is no assumption. Does Allah claim to have a Son in whom he is well pleased? Does Jehovah? So either this God who you claim to be the same is lying to different groups of people or that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are liars. Only one can be true, both wrong, but both statements cannot be true. You make the choice.


Inspector12
They (We) do. They just don't believe the same things about that ONE GOD. I won't insult your intelligence by explaining to a minister the differences between Christian and Muslim beliefs. I will say this though, that the core difference between Christians and Muslims is the same as the difference between Christians and Jews...in that neither Jews nor Muslims recognize the Trinity, though they both recognize Jesus as important. SO, does your question have any relevance if it is changed to this...If Elohim is your frat brother's God, is his God your God??


Min. H
Not really, he has to be my God to make it so. But the problem for the person who professes Christianity who believes such a lie is this question, am I a believer in the ONLY TRUE GOD, Jesus Christ, if I believe that Allah and Jehovah are the same God?

Thanks for posting, and I hope this dialogue has helped you.

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Minister H, you made the following statement in your response to me:

This is no assumption. Does Allah claim to have a Son in whom he is well pleased? Does Jehovah? So either this God who you claim to be the same is lying to different groups of people or that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are liars. Only one can be true, both wrong, but both statements cannot be true. You make the choice.

Here is a question that leads to what I think is your confusion (and the confusion of many). By what do Arabic Christians call God? They call him Allah, because Allah is the word in their language that means "God". What about Hispanic Christians? I'm sure they use Dios instead of "God".

Do you think Abraham called God by the name "God"? Certainly not. English wasn't spoken back then. Elohim or El Shaddai, which were probably the names used during his time, translate to "God" and "God Almighty" respectively.

We (Christians) associate the term/name "Allah" with Islam because Islam was founded by Muhammad, an Arabic-speaking descendant of Ishmael. Ishmael is recognized in the Bible as the eldest son of Abraham, born of Hagar, the maidservant to Sarah. Obviously the split starts there, so without a long, drawn out history lesson, understand that the only God Ishmael knew was that of his father Abraham (our God). Muslims acknowledge that their God is the same God Abraham serves. In fact, they believe that Abraham was prepared to sacrifice Ishmael on the altar, not Issac. Of course, we believe that to be false, but the point there is to offer anecdotal evidence that the God of Abraham is also theirs.

Minister, you also made this statement:
This is no assumption. Does Allah claim to have a Son in whom he is well pleased? Does Jehovah? So either this God who you claim to be the same is lying to different groups of people or that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are liars. Only one can be true, both wrong, but both statements cannot be true. You make the choice.

The answer is yes...Just because Muslims and Jews don't believe it doesn't make it so. Once again, just to beat a dead horse, Allah is the Arabic term for God; and if it is the same God that Abraham followed (and it is), then yes, El Shaddai/God Almighty/Allah/Jehovah did have a Son in whom He is well pleased. God isn't lying to any group of people. God is just being God. God IS! You are right, either God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one, or they are not. I believe they are indeed one, which makes me Christian. Muslims and Jews do not, which in our minds make them wrong. But just because they are wrong about this most important aspect of our Lord does not mean that they worship a different god.

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Inspector12
Minister H, you made the following statement in your response to me:

This is no assumption. Does Allah claim to have a Son in whom he is well pleased? Does Jehovah? So either this God who you claim to be the same is lying to different groups of people or that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are liars. Only one can be true, both wrong, but both statements cannot be true. You make the choice.

Here is a question that leads to what I think is your confusion (and the confusion of many). By what do Arabic Christians call God? They call him Allah, because Allah is the word in their language that means "God". What about Hispanic Christians? I'm sure they use Dios instead of "God".

Do you think Abraham called God by the name "God"? Certainly not. English wasn't spoken back then. Elohim or El Shaddai, which were probably the names used during his time, translate to "God" and "God Almighty" respectively.

We (Christians) associate the term/name "Allah" with Islam because Islam was founded by Muhammad, an Arabic-speaking descendant of Ishmael. Ishmael is recognized in the Bible as the eldest son of Abraham, born of Hagar, the maidservant to Sarah. Obviously the split starts there, so without a long, drawn out history lesson, understand that the only God Ishmael knew was that of his father Abraham (our God). Muslims acknowledge that their God is the same God Abraham serves. In fact, they believe that Abraham was prepared to sacrifice Ishmael on the altar, not Issac. Of course, we believe that to be false, but the point there is to offer anecdotal evidence that the God of Abraham is also theirs.

Minister, you also made this statement:
This is no assumption. Does Allah claim to have a Son in whom he is well pleased? Does Jehovah? So either this God who you claim to be the same is lying to different groups of people or that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are liars. Only one can be true, both wrong, but both statements cannot be true. You make the choice.

The answer is yes...Just because Muslims and Jews don't believe it doesn't make it so. Once again, just to beat a dead horse, Allah is the Arabic term for God; and if it is the same God that Abraham followed (and it is), then yes, El Shaddai/God Almighty/Allah/Jehovah did have a Son in whom He is well pleased. God isn't lying to any group of people. God is just being God. God IS! You are right, either God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one, or they are not. I believe they are indeed one, which makes me Christian. Muslims and Jews do not, which in our minds make them wrong. But just because they are wrong about this most important aspect of our Lord does not mean that they worship a different god.


Oh, but it does mean they worship a different God.
I John 2
21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is the liar but khe who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is bthe antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23 lNo one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. 24 Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then nyou too will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he made to us eternal life.

Neither worship Jesus. So to your reference of Christians Muslims referring to God as Allah. Allah is the name for one God. Islam had many gods before narrowing it down to one God, Allah. Allah is the moon god, not Jehovah God.

Allah does not bear the same character, personality, nature and attributes as the God of the Bible, so when they call God Allah, they need to understand it is just a generic term, but not the same God as Jehovah.

I repeat, Allah and Jehovah are not the same God. If they were, both would have a Son named Jesus Christ who was born of a virgin, and died on a cross.

Allah is a PRE-Islamic compounded from Al-ilah. Allah is simply a generic term or name, while Jehovah, Jesus, etc. are personal, have specific meaning, and bear certain attributes, many of which Allah does not.

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Minister, with all due respect, we believe our God, the God of Abraham, has a Son, who is seated at His right hand. Muslims believe that the God of Abraham has no Son. He is the same God. You say that "Allah" does not have the same character, personality, nature and attributes as the God of the Bible. You are wrong. The nature and attributes are indeed more than similar, but who assigned those attributes anyway? Men assigned those attributes according to their belief. The attribute that ties them together is what I mentioned in my second sentence...He is the God of Abraham. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all lay claim to this. What each group believes about Him is different (Judaism and Islam hold beliefs that are more similar to each other than to Christianity). Another important attribute is that Muslims do recognize Jesus to be a significant figure in their faith. They just don't recognize him as God's Son.

According to scholars, 1 John 2:21, (actually all of 1 John), was written in defense of our belief that Christ was born of the flesh, and that his death was atonement for our sins. Some who were leaders in the Church during Jesus' earthly lifetime, and just afterwards did not believe that the Christ was born of the flesh. The text was meant to bolster the beliefs that have become the cornerstone of our faith as Christians. We have logically expanded the meaning of the text to include followers of other faiths (Abrahamic as well as pagan/polytheistic religions). Neither Muslims nor Jews are the devil, nor the anti-Christ (although the anti-Christ could indeed come from either of these groups). They just don't know the Truth about the God they serve.

Allah is not "pre-Arabic"...it is pre-Islamic, and yes, it literally translates to One God. In the Islamic context (and to Arab Christians too), it means "The One God". Islam is a monotheistic religion and has never had more than one god...only God (Allah in Arabic). They believe that God has many names, and for that matter, we Christians refer to him by several names. You do realize that "God" is not his name, right? Well...neither is it Allah. God and Allah are "names" used to refer to "the God of Abraham".

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Inspector12
Minister, with all due respect, we believe our God, the God of Abraham, has a Son, who is seated at His right hand. Muslims believe that the God of Abraham has no Son. He is the same God. You say that "Allah" does not have the same character, personality, nature and attributes as the God of the Bible. You are wrong. The nature and attributes are indeed more than similar, but who assigned those attributes anyway? Men assigned those attributes according to their belief. The attribute that ties them together is what I mentioned in my second sentence...He is the God of Abraham. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all lay claim to this. What each group believes about Him is different (Judaism and Islam hold beliefs that are more similar to each other than to Christianity). Another important attribute is that Muslims do recognize Jesus to be a significant figure in their faith. They just don't recognize him as God's Son.

According to scholars, 1 John 2:21, (actually all of 1 John), was written in defense of our belief that Christ was born of the flesh, and that his death was atonement for our sins. Some who were leaders in the Church during Jesus' earthly lifetime, and just afterwards did not believe that the Christ was born of the flesh. The text was meant to bolster the beliefs that have become the cornerstone of our faith as Christians. We have logically expanded the meaning of the text to include followers of other faiths (Abrahamic as well as pagan/polytheistic religions). Neither Muslims nor Jews are the devil, nor the anti-Christ (although the anti-Christ could indeed come from either of these groups). They just don't know the Truth about the God they serve.

Allah is not "pre-Arabic"...it is pre-Islamic, and yes, it literally translates to One God. In the Islamic context (and to Arab Christians too), it means "The One God". Islam is a monotheistic religion and has never had more than one god...only God (Allah in Arabic). They believe that God has many names, and for that matter, we Christians refer to him by several names. You do realize that "God" is not his name, right? Well...neither is it Allah. God and Allah are "names" used to refer to "the God of Abraham".


"Muslims do recognize Jesus to be a significant figure in their faith."

First, this is simply a cop out response because we are not discussing Jesus' significance. Second, this is the most significant issue. The scriptures are replete that Jesus was God made flesh, so I John was not even necessary to establish that truth, so let's dispense with the RED HERRINGS and move on.


But the issue of Jesus being God's Son is more that just that. Jesus is God, and that is what makes Christianity different than the other two. But it's not just a difference. It is saying that God is either a liar. So either Jesus is God or just a significant figure. Who's lying Inspector12? Which is true? This os no difference in BELIEF. Both scriptures are saying DIFFERENT things about one person. Two things that CANNOT exist simultaneously. Either Jesus is God or He is not. So Inspector12, IS HE GOD OR NOT? OH, I'm sorry, I am forcing you to take sides on an issue of truth. Two opposing truths about the same thing cannot logically exist. Can two identical chairs occupy the same space?

Truth Claim #1- God has no Son
Truth Claim #2- God has a Son

Either 1 or 2 is correct, or they're both wrong. So which is TRUE Inspector12?

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Well, Minister...I was trying to remain respectful while making my point, but since you think you are "forcing me to take sides on an issue of truth", I'll respond. As I said in my last post, they (muslims) don't know the Truth about the God they serve. I believe the following: That God has a Son, Jesus, who was born of the flesh. He was crucified, and died for the sins of man. He was resurrected three days after his execution, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. I believe in the Trinity, God in three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You have called me out really for no reason...much in the same way wounded animals attack when cornered, even if the person in front of them is trying to help them. I know who my God is, and I am secure not only in my Christianity, but most importantly, in my salvation.

You said "Jesus is God", which again, is the basis of our Christian belief, but you left out two very important words. You left out "We believe". We cannot prove that Jesus is God, otherwise there would be no need for the word "faith". The definition of "faith" is " the firm belief in something for which there is no proof."

You proved my point when you said "Both scriptures are saying DIFFERENT things about one person." That is correct, and has been my point all along. The Christian belief is that Jesus is God's son; the Muslim belief is that God has no son. The point though, proven through simple research, is that God is the same deity for both groups...the ONLY God.

This is a matter of faith, Minister H, and what groups of people believe about God. There is no lie, and no one is suggesting that God is lying, especially me. That is ridiculous, and for you to make that stretch shows just how unreasonable you are.

As for the "RED HERRING"... what kind of minister are you?? John felt it important enough to devote an entire gospel to insuring the people of his time understood who Jesus was. Especially since many people of his time considered Jesus to merely be a prophet. Those people worshiped God, but did not recognize that Jesus was God in the flesh. So...my point that "Muslims do recognize Jesus to be a significant figure in their faith." was not a cop out. It was an important point that highlighted an attribute that tied Christianity to Islam. Christians and Muslims both believe that Jesus descended from Abraham. That whole point went back to your question of " if I am a Christian, and my brother's God is Allah, is his God my God? Again, according to the writings of both the Bible and the Qur'an, and the lineage of Abraham, Issac, Ishmael, Muhammed, and Jesus...the answer is yes.

To your last question.

Truth Claim #1- God has no Son
Truth Claim #2- God has a Son
Either 1 or 2 is correct, or they're both wrong. So which is TRUE Inspector12?

I believe #2 - God has a Son.

Now, Minister H...can you prove it??? No, you can't. That is why you can't say it is fact. It is what we believe.

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Inspector12
Well, Minister...I was trying to remain respectful while making my point, but since you think you are "forcing me to take sides on an issue of truth", I'll respond. As I said in my last post, they (muslims) don't know the Truth about the God they serve. I believe the following: That God has a Son, Jesus, who was born of the flesh. He was crucified, and died for the sins of man. He was resurrected three days after his execution, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. I believe in the Trinity, God in three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You have called me out really for no reason...much in the same way wounded animals attack when cornered, even if the person in front of them is trying to help them. I know who my God is, and I am secure not only in my Christianity, but most importantly, in my salvation.

You said "Jesus is God", which again, is the basis of our Christian belief, but you left out two very important words. You left out "We believe". We cannot prove that Jesus is God, otherwise there would be no need for the word "faith". The definition of "faith" is " the firm belief in something for which there is no proof."

You proved my point when you said "Both scriptures are saying DIFFERENT things about one person." That is correct, and has been my point all along. The Christian belief is that Jesus is God's son; the Muslim belief is that God has no son. The point though, proven through simple research, is that God is the same deity for both groups...the ONLY God.

This is a matter of faith, Minister H, and what groups of people believe about God. There is no lie, and no one is suggesting that God is lying, especially me. That is ridiculous, and for you to make that stretch shows just how unreasonable you are.

As for the "RED HERRING"... what kind of minister are you?? John felt it important enough to devote an entire gospel to insuring the people of his time understood who Jesus was. Especially since many people of his time considered Jesus to merely be a prophet. Those people worshiped God, but did not recognize that Jesus was God in the flesh. So...my point that "Muslims do recognize Jesus to be a significant figure in their faith." was not a cop out. It was an important point that highlighted an attribute that tied Christianity to Islam. Christians and Muslims both believe that Jesus descended from Abraham. That whole point went back to your question of " if I am a Christian, and my brother's God is Allah, is his God my God? Again, according to the writings of both the Bible and the Qur'an, and the lineage of Abraham, Issac, Ishmael, Muhammed, and Jesus...the answer is yes.

To your last question.

Truth Claim #1- God has no Son
Truth Claim #2- God has a Son
Either 1 or 2 is correct, or they're both wrong. So which is TRUE Inspector12?

I believe #2 - God has a Son.

Now, Minister H...can you prove it??? No, you can't. That is why you can't say it is fact. It is what we believe.


Define what you mean by proof? Then I'll be better able to answer your question.


"if I am a Christian, and my brother's God is Allah, is his God my God? Again, according to the writings of both the Bible and the Qur'an, and the lineage of Abraham, Issac, Ishmael, Muhammed, and Jesus...the answer is yes."

Again, you are incorrect. Allah and Jesus are not the same God. God says He is love. Where does Allah ever claim to be or love his people? Lineage has absolutely nothing to do with it. And by the way, Jehovah is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. As to lineage, when the Jews tried to stake that claim, Jesus shut it down with, before Abraham was I Am. So Muslims CLAIMING they serve the God of Abraham is far from it being true.

As for your salvation, I hope you are born again, why would I wish no less. But as far as Omega goes, that fraternity is neither Christian, nor is it founded upon Christians Principles. The fraternity willfully and sometimes proudly allows sinners to join. There is no accountability for one's sinful behavior and sin is perpetuated throughout generations of men who believe that going to Omega chapter is a great thing and that the good works they do FOR Omega will follow them. But it is Omega that's truly the problem and the weakness of believers to change things.

If Omega or any Greek Letter Organization for that matter wants to get rid of hazing, then there is a simple solution. But one problem is that there are people like you who claim to be born again swinging wood, drinking Omega oil, etc., while other believers watch them do it and say nothing.

Do you truly want to see hazing almost vanish overnight?

Simple research shows they are the same God. Tell me the method of research used, the means by which the evidence was judged, how much evidence was gathered, and please show me your RESEARCH? I taught a class on Islam.

As for the comment about John's letter towards me, you were the one casting shade on the authenticity of its message.

So if you choose to be unequally yoked with unbelievers, then so be it. The fact is not that the books are saying different things, it's that they are saying that One God is one thing and one is another. Case in point, if you believe the Bible and the Quran to be God Inspired, then the same God says He has a Son in one breath and not have a Son in the other. So if you believe Jehovah and Allah to be the same and inspired both scriptures, then you are calling Him a liar.

And if you want to truly judge my character, then you can call me and see how I act. 919/278-8911

Summary of my questions
Define what you mean by proof? Then I'll be better able to answer your question.

God says He is love. Where does Allah ever claim to be or love his people?

Do you truly want to see hazing almost vanish overnight?

Have you ever read I John 5:20-21?

Tell me the method of research used, the means by which the evidence was judged, how much evidence was gathered, and please show me your RESEARCH?

Simple research shows they are the same God. Tell me the method of research used, the means by which the evidence was judged, how much evidence was gathered, and please show me your RESEARCH?

This issue of faith!!!!!!!!! Have you ever read I John 5:20-21? The choice to believe is not based on faith alone. What does God have to do for you to know Him?

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One question, are you made or paper?

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I'm absolutely amazed to see this rubbish site still in existence.....

Have you published to Mason's secrets, too.....? No, I DON'T want them....!

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Some of the people on here seem to have borderline personality disorders, low self esteeemand distorted views of Christianity. None of what you all say to contradict the information about Omega Psi Phi will have any merit on diminishing it's growth, popularity or public service. You might as well tell the nation no to take an oath to their craft. Attorneys, Doctors, Military, Praidents and the list goes on who take oaths and pledge allegiance to uphold the principles of their office/organization. They are not denouncing the diety and God of all Gods, the creator of the heavens and the earth, nor have they made the organization their God(s).
Being bitter is lower than being delusional. Brothers and non brothers reading this should use intelligence and common sense to see through those who chose to vilify this or any organization only following its creed to uphold the policy and procedures of the organization, not replace our God.

I read the doctrine of the KKK and if I were ignorant, I'd probably believe that I am truly inferior to them and that God hates all other races. If you want to expose an organization for misrepresenting Gods word, spend your time there and stop being like aall other ignorant and bitter crabs on a barrel. Do confuse an alligence or oath with a declaration for a Lord and Savior. Semantics my brothers. Get a thesaurus or dictionary if you must.

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Some of the people on here seem to have borderline personality disorders, low self esteem and distorted views of Christianity. None of what you all say to contradict the information about Omega Psi Phi will have any merit on diminishing it's growth, popularity or public service. You might as well tell the nation no to take an oath to their craft. Attorneys, Doctors, Military, presidents and the list goes on who take oaths and pledge allegiance to uphold the principles of their office/organization. They are not denouncing the diety and God of all Gods, the creator of the heavens and the earth, nor have they made the organization their God(s).
Being bitter is lower than being delusional. Brothers and non brothers reading this should use intelligence and common sense to see through those who chose to vilify this or any organization only following its creed to uphold the policy and procedures of the organization, not replace our God.

I read the doctrine of the KKK and if I were ignorant, I'd probably believe that I am truly inferior to them and that God hates all other races. If you want to expose an organization for misrepresenting Gods word, spend your time there and stop being like all other ignorant and bitter crabs in a barrel. Do confuse an allegiance or oath with a declaration for a Lord and Savior. Semantics my brothers. Get a thesaurus or dictionary if you must.

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Yup and you guys quote Bible verses to show your points....What about the Bible verses that don't make sense? how about the verses that were left out because they weren't important to the Romans.....What about the book of Revelations? It is only a guess as to who wrote it. No one knows for sure. Christianity is only 2 thousand years old......What was there the other 5 million years?.....By the way...Did Moses write the Bible before or after the Pyramids were built?

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5 Million Years........ You have many questions that you could answer for yourself.

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Tony D

Some of the people on here seem to have borderline personality disorders, low self esteem and distorted views of Christianity. None of what you all say to contradict the information about Omega Psi Phi will have any merit on diminishing it's growth, popularity or public service.


Min. H
Omega doesn't need any help to diminish its public service. What public service? As for its popularity, No so popular either. Now if you want to speak to its growth, Members vs. Men is not really working the way you guys intended. And based on your comment, you don't have a good understanding of it either.



Tony D
You might as well tell the nation no to take an oath to their craft. Attorneys, Doctors, Military, presidents and the list goes on who take oaths and pledge allegiance to uphold the principles of their office/organization. They are not denouncing the diety and God of all Gods, the creator of the heavens and the earth, nor have they made the organization their God(s).


Min. H
See how weak you are. You have to run to other things to make what you do appear to be okay. Why don't you post your oath up here and see if it stands up to Biblical Muster?

In whose name do Muslims in your organization swear an oath to?


Tony D
Being bitter is lower than being delusional. Brothers and non brothers reading this should use intelligence and common sense to see through those who chose to vilify this or any organization only following its creed to uphold the policy and procedures of the organization, not replace our God.



Min. H
That's a lie, and you know it. Who is the God of Omega? The words to, for, and of Omega are mentioned over 40 times in the ritual. Why is II Timothy 2:3 misquoted, leaving out Jesus ON PURPOSE? I could go on and on.


Tony D
I read the doctrine of the KKK and if I were ignorant, I'd probably believe that I am truly inferior to them and that God hates all other races. If you want to expose an organization for misrepresenting Gods word, spend your time there and stop being like all other ignorant and bitter crabs in a barrel. Do confuse an allegiance or oath with a declaration for a Lord and Savior. Semantics my brothers. Get a thesaurus or dictionary if you must.


Min. H
Stop beating your fellow black men from head to toe, just like the KKK did. Hypocrite!!

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Whoever your are, you need to get a life. Why are you so obsessed with the Ques? You didnt make it? I am An Omega. Its funny that stupid mfer's like you spend their lives concerning themselves with other folks business. What are you a minister of? Minister of bull****. Get a life dude. You fake ass ministers kill me with passing judgement. You should know that judgement is not the job for people it's reserved for God. But you are a so called minister you should know that. So in closing go tell your lies to another congregation of idiots!

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