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Common Bible Mishaps and Fallacies

There are some common bible mishaps that get passed down, because people (ESPECIALLY CLERGY) just accept and/or DO NOT STUDY.

Fallacy and Mishap #1

That there were 3 wise men

Matthew 2 records no number of wise men just 3 types of gifts, which were gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

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Modern Day Tongues ARE THE SAME AS Tongues in Acts and I Corinthians.

The "Babbling" of Modern Day Tongues and Clear Languages of Acts and I Corinthians are two totally different phenomenon. Modern Day Tongues preceded Christ and still occur today. Many pagan religions incorporate tongues as a legitimate divine experience, yet nowhere does scripture support it. Speaking in tongues today does no more good coming from a preacher as it would putting a mic to a 3 month old's mouth, and letting him goo goo ga ga....LOL!

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Just passing on more information and a study on the gift of tongues.

The Truth about Tongues

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The Private Prayer Language Condemned

"It's amazing to me that the modern Charismatic movement is simply repeating the same error that the Corinthian church was involved in. Charismatics teach that the essential use of tongues is as a private prayer language to God. Well, that is exactly what Paul is condemning here in this passage. Paul is saying, "You've missed the point of the true gift of tongues. This gift was designed to speak to men, like all the other gifts. But you are involved in some kind of communion with a pagan god speaking in pagan mysteries, and nobody knows what you're saying. God certainly doesn't want to be talked to like that."

Is there biblical evidence for a private prayer language?

It was never God's intention to be addressed in a language that is incomprehensible to the speaker. I believe the Bible supports this. If you were to examine every prayer prayed in the Bible, and if you were to study every passage in the Bible which taught about prayer, you would not find anything, anywhere, anytime that even suggests that prayer should ever be unintelligible. You'll never find it. In fact, Jesus said the exact opposite. In Matthew 6:7 Jesus said, "But when ye pray, use not vain [or `meaningless'] repetitions, as the pagans do...." The phrase "vain repititions" is the Greek word battalogeo. The verb logeo means "to speak," and the prefix batta is not even a word. It is a figure of speech that in English we call an onomatopoeia--the naming of something by a vocal imitation of the sound it makes. For example, we say that a bee goes buzz, or a zipper goes zip, or a plane goes whish. Those aren't words, they're onomatopoetic figures of speech. Well, batta isn't a word either. What Jesus is literally saying in Matthew 6:7 is, "When you pray, don't say batta, batta, batta--the sound of the stammering, stuttering gibberish that the pagans offer to their gods. The Father isn't interested in that kind of communication." So, we are to pray intelligibly and "with the understanding" (1 Cor. 14:15).

When Jesus went into the Garden to pray to the Father, He didn't talk in some heavenly language. Why should you? When deity communed with deity, it was in a language that was clear. When Jesus stood by the grave of Lazarus, He prayed before He raised him from the dead. John heard every word of that prayer and wrote it down just the way He said it--clear and intelligible. John 17 is the intimate prayer between Jesus and the Father. It's all very clear--translated beautifully into English from the original language. The point is this: There is no biblical evidence whatsoever of a private prayer language! We are to pray in an intelligible, understandable way.

The carnal Corinthians (like current Charismatics, I'm afraid), with their desire for the showy, attention-getting, ego-building, emotionalistic gift of tongues, were using it as a badge of spirituality and saying, "Oh, I have reached such a spiritual plateau that I can now talk to the eternal God in my own private language." That is pure paganism! So Paul writes to them and says, "You have missed the whole point of the use of the true gift of tongues. You're supposed to speak to men with the true gift, but you're speaking to a god in mysteries." By the way, it was believed that these "mysteries" were hidden secrets that only the initiated could know. It was also believed that these mysteries were received from the god that they connected up with when they went into an ecstatic trance. They had really missed the point of the true gift of tongues!"

John MacArthur